Thursday, September 3, 2009

National Geographic: "Science" and "Psychology"

I finally was able to download the recent National Geographic piece today and I have literally just finished watching it. The piece was by far the most muddled, poorly edited and logically flawed piece of propaganda I have ever seen. It was a lot like the History Channel piece, except instead of enduring 90 minutes of James Meigs' camp, Mr Garrison type voice, I had to endure 90 minutes of monotonous narration that makes Microsoft Sam look emotive.

Unlike other hitpieces, they keep the uses of words "conspiracy theorist" to a minimum - instead prefering the word "truther", which was uttered in a negative way so many times you can make a drinking game out of it. It was even written in text under the names of Gage, Avery, Jones and Griffin. At the start of each segment a load of points were quickly flashed on screen as moving text. Just about every fringe theory was dug up as these flashes of points included things like "the illuminati chose the date September 11 for its occultic significance" and something to do with a zionist conspiracy. The program made the rather hilarious assertion that "The government timeline of events has been consistent" - I literally was laughing for like five minutes at that.

Much like the History Channel piece, numerous comparisons were made to the false flag attack of Pearl Harbour. However, just like the History Channel hitpiece, no mention was made of the admitted false flag operation, which is perhaps even more comparable to 9/11 than Pearl Harbour due to the fact that the two were used to justify similar things - Hitler's Reichstag fire.

The program made very little mention of Building 7, and only even showed a video of it at the end when an activist mentioned it. Shots of the twin towers destruction were tightly edited and kept to a minimum - my guess is they didn't want to show the blatant demolitions too much. They reinforced the piledriver theory by deceptively overlaying a white rectangle on a video of the north towers collapse. Even though it's obvious that the piledriver is itself destroyed before anything else. To the programs credit, they did show images of Steven Jones' red chips, but whitewashed over them.

The bulk of the program consisted of four "scientific" experiments - the heating of a steel beam with jet fuel, a demolition, a thermite experiment and a Pentagon impact experiment. Here are my thoughts on them:

Steel Beam Plus Jet Fuel

You know how debunkers always criticize us for comparing the twin towers to other skyscraper fires such as the Windsor fire or the Beijing fire, arguing that the different constructions make them incomparable? Well what do they use for comparison? Do they make a scale model of a tube in tube structure and set fire to it? No! They take one random steel beam and expose it to a massive 2000 degree jet fuel fire. In reality of course, the temperature in the World Trade Center would have been conducted across a massive heatsink of interconnected steel beams. They also completely ignore the fact that paint tests done by NIST themselves found that the temperatures their samples reached were barely hot enough to ignite paper, let alone soften steel. The entire experiment proved nothing, much more comparible experiments have already been done. Such as the UL tests and other skyscraper fires.

The Demolition

This experiment of course attempted to demonstrate how difficult it would be to demolish a building without people knowing due to the amount of work that would have to be done. The only thing this experiment proves is how difficult it is to bring a building down - the demolition wasn't even fully successful! So on the one hand they are saying it takes massive amount of effort to implode a building, but on the other they are arguing the least controlled thing possible imploded the towers! A better experiment would have been to find twin buildings and rig one for demolition and set the other one on fire and compare the two.

Thermite

Just like the MythBusters car experiment before it, this experiment proved that ordinary thermite can't cut a steel beam in half. The experiment was pointless because, as they pointed out, they did not use superthemite. Also there was no load on the steel beam either. Just like the demolition experiment, all it really proved is how resilient steel is.

Pentagon Experiment

Now I believe a plane did hit the Pentagon, but this whole experiment was still pointless and proved nothing. They could have quite easily gone and interviewed some of the Arlington County firefighters and proved beyond all doubt that a plane hit. But I guess the government wants to keep that counter myth alive.

Amazingly enough, pretty much everything I've just said was actually mentioned in the episode. They actually allowed Gage, Avery and Griffin to respond to their debunking. Because this is what the program was really about, a psychological examination of "truthers" and how we continue to defend our theories even when they are "disproven". We were of course portrayed as cult members who like to believe in conspiracies because it makes us feel better. Hey, I've got news for you ... I don't LIKE believing in this stuff at all. I wish it was 19 guys directed by a man in a cave in Afghanistan. The truth sometimes keeps me awake at night.

In the end the main argument of the program was one of practicality. They once again made out that it would require a massive conspiracy of thousands of people and, while completely ignoring compartmentalization and well kept secrets such as the Manhatten Project and Area 51, they argued that it would be impossible for them to keep a conspiracy secret.

And, since they brought up Kennedy, why does Dale Myers' computer animation that supposedly proves the magic bullet theory have Kennedy and Connelly seated much closer together than they actually were?



I could go on but there's no point. The program debunks itself. I really am sick of these hitpieces. Who do they get to make these things? Mentally ill people who used to torture puppies as a kid? I don't know whats worse, the fact that people make this kind of crap, or the fact that people fall for it.

I'm looking forward to Ventura's 9/11 documentary and I hope Dylan will include a video of one of Stephen Jones' chips being ignited (he did) in his upcoming film.

Related Info:

Dear friends who've just viewed the National Geographic Conspiracy Theory on 9/11

Exchange of emails (March 2009) with Robert Erickson, producer of the National Geographic special on 9/11

National Geographic Does 9/11: Another Icon Debased in Service of the Big Lie - Like Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies Straw Man, only dumber?

Finally, an apology from the National Geographic Channel

National Geographic Channel on 9/11: Manipulation vs. Objectivity

National Geographic vs Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup

THE INFOWARRIOR with Jason Bermas: Jason Debunks National Geographic & No Planes BS!

Alex Jones and Richard Gage Debunk the National Geographic Hit Piece on 9/11 Truth

Debunking National Geographic - 9/11 Science and Conspiracy

National Geographic Should Stick to Documentaries About Girls Who Cry Blood

Sander Hicks: "National Geographic Pseudo-Science?"

National Geographic hitpiece will prove 9/11 fire collapse theory to be impossible.

National Geographic to Air New 911 "Documentary".

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

Why Should I Care About This Stuff, Even if it's True Isn't it a Distraction From More Important Issues?


A comment on a website where I recently posted a 9/11 truth video stated...

"Conspiracy theories.... let the past be settled and buried..."

My response:

First off, let's examine why 9/11 truth will always matter. The following was written by 9/11 truth activist Kevin Barret, whom I disagree with on many issues, but this is spot on:
"When I realized that 9/11 had almost certainly been an inside job, and that clear, obvious, overwhelming, in-your-face evidence made this obvious to anyone willing to take an honest look at the matter, I knew that this issue was not like other issues.

Likewise, without the 9/11 neo con job, few of the present planet destroying US policies would have been possible. If the German people had figured out that Hitler was behind the Reichstag Fire, they might have risen up in rebellion, even though nobody died in that blaze. If the American people understood that top officials of their own government had orchestrated the destruction of the World Trade Center and the murder of thousands of Americans in pursuit of a criminal agenda, they would certainly rise up in rebellion, and turn their nation's policies 180 degrees away from that criminal agenda. They would cut the military budget to a tiny fraction of what it had been before the 9/11 Reichstag Fire. They would withdraw not just from the imperial wars 9/11 had incited, but from empire itself, reclaiming the great American anti-imperialist tradition of 1776. They would arrest the super-rich criminals who were complicit in 9/11, and institute the mother of all trust-busting eras to shatter the monopolies, especially the media monopolies, into thousands of tiny, locally-owned pieces, and redistribute the criminals wealth to the people. They would put their money into roads, schools, housing, and other life-supporting activities, instead of death-dealing ones. They would concentrate their energies on developing technologies to cope with the coming economic-energy-environmental crisis, and build railroads and alternative power stations rather than new kinds of bunker-busting nuclear weapons. They would embrace international co-operation and demilitarize first outer space, and then, gradually, the planet itself, leaving locally-based militias, and maybe a couple of nuclear subs per nation for insurance against invasion, as the only form of military power. And they would reclaim their freedom of speech and expression and dismantle the police state that has been riding America's back like an evil spirit since the National Security State replaced constitutional democracy back in 1947.

It was not just a matter of life or death, I realized. It was far more important than that. At the deepest soul level, I decided that I had no interest in living in a world without 9/11 truth, nor in leaving such a world to my children. I felt I would gladly sacrifice everything I had, everything I knew - even the lives of everyone I knew, the universe itself, the cosmos, EVERYTHING - in an all-out battle to see that the perpetrators of 9/11 did not get away with their crimes. This would be my truth jihad."

In 2008 and 2009 4 peer-reviewed papers [many more published since then] challenging the official version of events were published in US science journals and you call it a conspiracy theory?

The past you say? U.S. deaths in Afghanistan just set a new monthly record.

It is also important to note that in 2005 9/11 activists might have very well stopped a false flag nuclear attack.

And as Dianne Lipson pointed out in an op-ed piece entitled, So 9/11 Was an Inside Job. Why Should I Care?, written for the NYC newspaper The Sovereign. (Page 15):
"The most important reason of all to care that 911 was an inside job is: it's better to know the truth. If enough of us know the truth we can stop the next false flag attack from happening. Even if you never write a letter to your congressman or go on a march or a demonstration, knowing the truth gives you that power."
The following was written in 2006 and it all still applies, links I've added in the text prove this.

Questioning 9/11 Is a Waste of Time Which Distracts us from the Real Problems, Right?

GeorgeWashington.blogspot.com
May 07, 2006

Some people argue that questioning 9/11 is a waste of time -- which distracts us from the many real problems our country is facing.

There's the economic downturn, the Iraq war, terrorist threats, loss of liberties and a lot of other problems that need fixing. So stop wasting time and distracting everyone with all this stuff about 9/11, right?

Well, before I address that argument, let me ask you one question: how did we get here? How did we get into the economic downturn, the Iraq war, the war on terror, spying and the loss of liberties, and the other problems?

Iraq

Let's start with Iraq. Why are we in Iraq? WMDs, you say!

Actually, President Bush's March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq, includes the following paragraph.

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

In other words, it was actually the White House's false linkage of Iraq and 9/11 which allowed the Bush administration to claim that Congress had voted for the Iraq war. So looking at who was actually behind 9/11 (not Saddam Hussein) is important in connection with the Iraq war.

Tortured Logic

Likewise, torture is based upon the belief that we can stop future acts of terrorism if we get information from bad guys, and that torture is a good way to get that information.

What has allowed Americans to accept torture - something that runs contrary to traditional American values?

9/11. The September 11th attacks scared Americans into think that terrorists were out to get us, and that we had to get tough to stop them.

But knowing who really attacked us is important if we are to stop them, right? Remember the old saying: "You have to know your enemy to beat him"?

The following facts are therefore important:

The Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, said that at least one foreign government aided in the 9/11 attack, and it was not just a bunch of lone wolves

A CIA memo written on October 2, 2002, concluded there is “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government” (page 169)

28 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry's report were blacked out and classified (the redacted portions supposedly include funding by Saudi Arabia of the hijackers)

In addition, Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision" prior to the attacks

According to intelligence officials in India and the FBI, Pakistan's military chief of intelligence wired $100,000 to the lead hijacker days before 9/11 (mentioned here in an editorial round-up). However, the 9/11 Commission stated that -- because Bin Laden wasn't the source of 9/11 funding -- it wasn't important to examine who was the funding source (page 147)

According to a Pakistani weekly newspaper, Pakistan bribed the 9/11 Commission to remove damaging information linking Pakistan to 9/11

Israel also tracked the hijackers' every movement prior to the attacks, and apparently sent agents to film the attack on the World Trade Centers (see also this). And yet a government official told Fox News' reporter Carl Cameron, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

According to the president of Pakistan, one of the one of the main perpetrators of 9/11 worked for British intelligence

The former president of Italy said that Israeli and other western intelligence services were behind the 9/11 attack.

Without even going into the claims by many high-level military leaders, intelligence officials, scientists, engineers and others that rogue elements within the U.S. government aided and abetted the 9/11 attack, it is clear from the above-described claims that a foreign government may have done so.

It would thus be important to determine which government or governments were involved, so that we know who to interrogate. Doesn't that make sense?

(Note: It is beyond the scope of this essay to discuss the fact that the government has overblown the entire terror threat, or that torture doesn't actually work).

War on Terror

Until we determine with certainly which governments or nationalities were actually behind 9/11, then how can we determine which countries we should treat as close allies and which countries we should treat as enemies?

The Economy

The economy is on everyone's mind right now. What possible connection can there be between the economy and 9/11 -- when 9/11 occurred years ago?

Well, many top economists - such as Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz - say that the high cost of war in Iraq is the cause of the current slowdown in the U.S. Therefore, if the false linkage of Iraq and 9/11 was the reason Congress "authorized" war, and if the war is the reason for the current economic downturn, then false statements about 9/11 are one of the reasons our country is currently in an economic slump.

Spying and Loss of Liberties

The government claims that it is spying on Americans and otherwise curtailing our rights because it is a new, "post-9/11 world", and they have to keep us safe. The government is spending many billions of dollars to carry out its spying and other supposed anti-terror programs. (It is beyond the scope of this essay to go into detail about the fact that the government's spying on Americans began before 9/11 -- confirmed here and here -- or that many other programs related to the "war on terror" including the drafting of the Patriot Act, actually commenced before 9/11).

Wouldn't the spying and anti-terror programs be more effective if we had confidence in who we should be watching out for? By way of analogy, let's say that the spying efforts had been justified on the anthrax attacks which occurred shortly after 9/11. Because the letters which contained the anthrax sounded like they were written by a radical Muslim, a spying program based on the anthrax attacks would probably focus on arabic folks, right? Well, it is now beyond dispute that the anthrax actually came from a U.S. military base and was of a type that can only be manufactured by the military.

Similarly, if we want to protect America, wouldn't it make sense that we'd want to be 100% certain we know who was behind 9/11?

Is History Repeating?

Imagine, if you would, that you were a citizen in Germany right after the Reichstag fire had occurred. As you might know, the Reichstag fire was the burning down of the German parliament building by Hitler's men, which was then blamed on the communists in order to justify wars against neighboring countries. See this History Channel video (if you have trouble playing the clip, it is because the website hosting the clip requires you to download the clip before playing it). Similarly, the Nazis, in Operation Himmler, staged murder on their own people and attacks on their own resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.

Do you believe you could have stopped the government from torturing communists after the Reichstag fire, by convincing people that Germans are a good people who do not torture others?

Do you think that you could have prevented the spread of disinformation about the hostile intentions and military capabilities?

Do you imagine you could have stopped the brownshirts and loss of domestic rights?

I believe not, not without first exposing that the Reichstag fire - the single thing which allowed the German parliament and other institutions to hand Hitler total power. The German's were in shock, and rallied around their "strong" leader.

Or not exposing that Operation Himmler -- the event which caused the German people to rally around the invasion of Poland -- was a false flag operation.

Similarly, Americans are crazed by the fear of Arab terrorists just like Germans were terrified of communist and Polish terrorists. Both peoples have handed over all of their power to their leaders in order to buy an imaginary security. Both peoples have forgotten to look at the root causes of their troubles, and have thus let themselves be manipulated and repressed.

Conclusion

Given the fact that the Iraq war, the war on terror, the economic downturn, torture, spying and other loss of liberties all have strong connections to 9/11, any reasonable person must conclude that knowing with certainty exactly what happened on September 11th is vital for America. As vital as investigating the Reichstag fire and Operation Himmler should have been for the German people.

Will we make the same mistakes that the German people did, by trying to fight with the surface manifestations of their problems? Or will we investigate the root cause of our problems, the place where our country lost its way, the justification for all of the bad things which are happening to us and which our government is doing: September 11th?

The choice is ours.

Here is the original article with different links.

How many of the things that now are the war they are because of 9/11, would change if they was inside involvement in the events? Here Steve Watson of the website PrisonPlanet.com names some of those 9/11 consequences:
Without 9/11 there would be no "war on terror".

Without 9/11 there would be no "clash of civilizations"

Without 9/11 there would be no war in Afghanistan.

Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iraq.

Without 9/11 there would be no war in… (insert any country classified as part of the "axis of evil" or defined as being 'with the terrorists')

Without 9/11 thousands of U.S. troops would not have been sent to their deaths.

Without 9/11 hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been sentenced to their deaths.

Without 9/11 there would be no inaction on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Without 9/11 there would be no civilian contractors in Iraq and the scandal that has followed them would have been averted.

Without 9/11 there would be no false military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch), and no crack down on the freedom of the press (banning photographing the returning coffins).

Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act.

Without 9/11 there would be no NSA warrantless wiretapping program.

Without 9/11 there would be no Camp Delta and no Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay.

Without 9/11 there would be no Military Commissions Act and no coordinated program of extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture of those defined as “enemy combatants”.

Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in secrecy and complete militarization of intelligence under the newly created office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Without 9/11 there would not be thousands of dead and dying emergency workers who are suffering crippling and fatal respiratory illnesses.

Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in military and security spending that goes arm in arm with huge cutbacks in other key social programs (such as levees in New Orleans).

Without 9/11 there would have been no total abandonment of fiscal restraint, which has contributed to plunging the nation into an abyss of debt and looks likely to tip the world into a deep recession if not a complete depression.

And on and on and on.

Perhaps most importantly, without 9/11 there would be no "post 9/11 society/mentality".
Finally, I'll just add that seeking truth and justice for the victims and the victim's family members should be reason enough to never let the past "be settled and buried."

Related:

100 Million Americans Question or Find Fault with the Official 9/11 Story - 9/11 Reconstruction: Mental Before Physical
 
Why 9/11 truth is still the Mother Issue of them all

Tuesday, September 1, 2009

9/11 Debunkers: Meet Dsglop (Dan Stevens)

A response to the video Nathan Moulton, Truth Douche, just good clean fun if you ask me. :)

BlueMurder911
YouTube.com
September 1, 2009



Related Info...

Nathan Moulton's "Activist" Documentary Released

9/11 Debunkers: Meet RKOwens4

Debunking the Debunkers - The Blog!

Spooky Punkos
SpookyWeather.blogspot.com
September 1, 2009

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com

This brilliant site destroys the fake science and claims made by the 911 debunking fraternity. I highly recommend that everyone visit the blog in order to get some basic scientific principles set in mind. It is level-headed analysis at its best.

Also, their selection of links to other 911 truth webpages and resources is invaluable.

For activists wishing to present a deconstruction of the main debunker falsehoods, thereby exposing the official lies, I suggest drawing upon the information found at sites like Debunking the Debunkers. Encourage others to learn the truth and fight in the information war.

With continuous and unrelenting actions will we inevitably expose the 911 false flag attack for what it was. We can then bring about a measure of justice for all the victims of 911 and END the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Peace.

Spookypunkos

National Geographic Should Stick to Documentaries About Girls Who Cry Blood


CitizenFor911Truth1
Debunking the Debunkers
September 1, 2009

I just finished watching the National Geographic hit piece. Ultimately, I wasn't impressed. They really only addressed 2 or 3 key claims in the piece. Their experiments they did on testing how steel reacts to fire and thermite, I thought, were really a joke. They tested one steel beam that was just laying across a pit with a pool of jet fuel? It's interesting how they never mention that Underwriters Labs had created full scale models of the WTC floor sections, tested them in hotter and longer fires, and that they didn't collapse. Clearly the conditions were going to be different and have different results. Namely: the fact that their test was out in the open with plenty of oxygen fueling the fire while the Twin Towers clearly had oxygen starved fires; the fact that their beam wasn't attached to anything and therefore had far less support than in the WTC; and that they aren't clear how similar their beam was to the ones in the WTC. As for their thermite test, it seemed totally pointless. Steven Jones and Richard Gage made it clear that they weren't talking about using commercial thermite in a demolition, but they went ahead and tested it anyway! It's obviously very easy for them to debunk theories we're not saying happened. And in regard to their Pentagon tests, I didn't give it much thought. I believe Flight 77 did crash into the building, so it didn't really matter to me.

When I saw the "experts" they brought on, I was pretty amazed. They had Brent Blanchard, who I hadn't seen since the History Channel hit piece, Matt Taibbi, and some guy who wrote a book about conspiracy theories. These guys were clearly not an unbiased crowd. Brent always was one to denounce the Truthers so quickly. Like the thermite test, the demolition test Brent was a part of also seemed totally pointless since Gage and Jones, once again, made it clear they were not talking about conventional explosives. With Matt Taibbi, I almost laughed when I saw he was considered one of the experts. He and his false notion that it would take 1000s of people to pull off 9/11 when the movement has always presented plausible scenarios as to how it may have been a small amount of people, was really laughable. And as for this guy who writes about how conspiracy theories have no merit and are fantasy, what else would he say? He says the people in the movement are paranoid, but I notice how they never mention (in any of the hit pieces really) that the majority of people who lost friends and family on 9/11 are asking the same questions as the movement. To their credit, they did show a good shot of Building 7's collapse.

Ultimately, while the piece may not have done as much attacking as the others, it did some of the most poor debunking attempts I have ever seen. Hopefully they pick their ratings back up with their "girl crying blood" piece. That did look kind of interesting.

Related Info:

Dear friends who've just viewed the National Geographic Conspiracy Theory on 9/11

Exchange of emails (March 2009) with Robert Erickson, producer of the National Geographic special on 9/11

National Geographic Does 9/11: Another Icon Debased in Service of the Big Lie - Like Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies Straw Man, only dumber?

Finally, an apology from the National Geographic Channel

National Geographic Channel on 9/11: Manipulation vs. Objectivity

National Geographic vs Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup

THE INFOWARRIOR with Jason Bermas: Jason Debunks National Geographic & No Planes BS!

Alex Jones and Richard Gage Debunk the National Geographic Hit Piece on 9/11 Truth

Debunking National Geographic - 9/11 Science and Conspiracy

National Geographic: "Science" and "Psychology"

Sander Hicks: "National Geographic Pseudo-Science?"

National Geographic hitpiece will prove 9/11 fire collapse theory to be impossible.

National Geographic to Air New 911 "Documentary".