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http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.htmlMany people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rogue elements of the US government and intelligence apparatus, as well as other international intelligence agencies, were involved, doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth debunkers.

 

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers ("debunkers" just assert they are all confused lying with no basis), and peer-reviewed studies of the physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States” - Former Sen. Bob Graham on 60-Minutes 


We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads, but the "debunkers" are wrong when many essentially argue that it's acceptable for 70% of 9/11 family members questions to have never been answered by the 9/11 Commission. So of course, most have no qualms about promises made to 9/11 family members being broken by the Commission to investigate all whistleblower claims, which a substantial amount of the public find highly-suspicious at minimum, with many regarding the evidence as suggestive of complicity to varied degrees.

The below link proves that many thousands of family members want a new investigation. Likely the amount of people killed that day is outnumbered by these 9/11 victim's family members.


Truth Teller's Radio Episode 16 - 9/11/2018 JM Talboo Interviews Richard Gage about the 3000+ Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

http://truthtellersradio.blogspot.com/2018/09/truth-tellers-radio-episode-16-9112018.html

Are there more problems with the UAF/Hulsey/AE911Truth WTC7 Draft Report or the NIST WTC 7 Report? You Decide...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/are-there-more-problems-with.html

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Tribute Page:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2014/03/firefighters-for-911-truth-tribute-page.html

 


         

Unsurprisingly, the duh-bunk-turds hate even the best of the "Loose Change" films, but loose ends are no biggie.

The Washington Post reported on August 2, 2006 that:
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources... "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. 'It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
So, if 9/11 didn't have an inside element, what's to stop such a scenario from taking place in the future when we get investigations that have attributes like these? 

It is therefore the purpose of this website to rebut the hollow claims of the so-called 911 truth "debunkers" and clarify what is known about the attacks for the benefit of those following the debate and also for the largely uninformed public. This site now features 9/11 truth related and not-so-related content. So please utilize our search feature (found also on the sidebar) to find a massive treasure trove of well-researched info on nearly every issue in the realm of 9/11 truth debate. 

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Wednesday, September 30, 2026

Letter: In Defense of Conspiracy Theory

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Letter: In Defense of Conspiracy Theory

April 21, 2026

Ray F argues that socialists forgo the analysis of conspiracies among the ruling class at their own peril.

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I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…

People will utter that refrain preemptively to prepare the audience. They know what they’re saying is true, but the implications are something that makes people uncomfortable. A “conspiracy theorist” is a pejorative in American society. People who are “conspiracy theorists” invoke someone who is susceptible to reject facts or follow dangerous ideologies. A 1967 CIA cable titled, “Countering Criticism of the Warren Report” provides an explanation:

… Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's Report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse, results.

This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience, and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society... Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of...such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.

The bourgeoisie have always viewed so-called “conspiracy theorists” as a threat to the institutional legitimacy of the state itself. There are strong pressures to denounce these renegade histories, a desire to signal that you have some degree of institutional belief in the legitimacy of American “Democracy”. Is it a surprise that majorities of all demographics doubt the conclusion of the Warren Commision Report - except for white people with a college education?

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Do they really believe that? Or are they inclined to answer a certain way when speaking with a pollster? It’s difficult to say.

Conspiracy theories, misinformation, and disinformation are treated as a danger, emanating from a political extreme or radical position. Certain establishment news outlets have entire sections dedicated to tracking conspiracies. The bourgeoisie is terrified that with the internet and social media, people no longer believe in the corporate news and academia. The American people no longer respect the bourgeoisie’s “integrity, experience, and prominence” and for particularly good reasons. The contradictions in class society have accelerated this collapse of belief, particularly among America’s youth.

In response to these trends, the bourgeoise has tightened their fist. Social media apps like Twitter and TikTok were privatized and placed in the hands of military-intelligence connected executives. In turn, the algorithms have become increasingly censorious, forcing the working-class users to invent all sorts of creative linguistic innovations to continue to have their voices heard.

My main concern is that many socialist organizations, writers and influencers shy away from so-called “conspiracy theories.” The people are yearning for truth. They want to know why things are the way they are. They’re open to reexamining American history to understand how we got here. More people are beginning to correctly conclude that American “Democracy” is a lie, the corporate press and parties only serve the interests of the rich, and oftentimes, that the perpetrators of some of America’s foremost high crimes are from the imperial state itself. If socialists do not offer a political indictment of these high crimes, or find a way to connect these actors, organizations, events, to our theories of political economy then we leave that counter-history space open. People who want to know why America’s relationship with Zionism is what it is, who Jeffrey Epstein was, who assassinated JFK, who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and on and on. If socialists do not investigate hidden histories and do not offer any analysis of substance about them, then people who are pursuing those answers will find them on the political right. Fascists will seize this terrain and guide people towards an analysis skewed with ethno-nationalistic mysticism.

Some argue that these deep dives into investigating the clandestine organizations, bourgeois criminality, and the lumpen parastate are somehow a diversion away from dialectical materialism. I’d argue that this “anti-conspiracy” leftist thought is a type of economism that only believes in blind economic forces. Understanding the intentionality and organization of our class enemies is important because it also demonstrates the need for intentionality and organization of our own class.

What’s new is the size and scope of clandestine forces operating throughout the world, but it is not new in the class struggle. In The Eighteenth Brumaire, Marx shows how Louis Bonaparte III conspired in secret using blackmail, spies, false documents, midnight arrests to overthrow the National Assembly. In Capital Vol. III, Marx invokes secret fraternal society when explaining how the bourgeoise operates in the chapter on the Equalization of the General Rate of Profit Through Competition:

Here, then, we have a mathematically precise proof why capitalists form a veritable freemason society vis-a-vis the whole working-class, while there is little love lost between them in competition among themselves.

When Marx wrote of the French bourgeoisie in the Civil War in France, does this not perfectly describe our own bourgeoisie today?

Since the finance aristocracy made the laws, was at the head of the administration of the state, had command of all the organized public authorities, dominated public opinion through the actual state of affairs and through the press, the same prostitution, the same shameless cheating, the same mania to get rich was repeated in every sphere, from the court to the CafĂ© Borgne to get rich not by production, but by pocketing the already available wealth of others, Clashing every moment with the bourgeois laws themselves, an unbridled assertion of unhealthy and dissolute appetites manifested itself, particularly at the top of bourgeois society – lusts wherein wealth derived from gambling naturally seeks its satisfaction, where pleasure becomes crapuleux [debauched], where money, filth, and blood commingle. The finance aristocracy, in its mode of acquisition as well as in its pleasures, is nothing but the rebirth of the lumpenproletariat on the heights of bourgeois society.

In Russia, contending with an Okhrana conspiracy was a key part of the struggle and a section of Lenin’s What is to be Done? is specifically focused on contending with the secret police’s plots. Between 1901 and 1903 Iskra alone published thirty-eight reports on Zubatovism, including twenty designed to expose Zubatov's [Head of the Okhrana] "attempts to corrupt the Moscow workers politically"... Bauman remarked that "police corrupting [industrial workers] is more terrible to us than is police brutality.” One of the tactics the Okhrana used was to teach the workers revisionist theories from thinkers like Eduard Bernstein, Sidney Webb, S. N. Prokopovich, and Werner Sombart. I feel like it’s particularly noteworthy to emphasize that point as we continue to see extended debate and discussion about how relevant it is that certain prominent theoreticians and academics were funded by the CIA in the Cold War.

It is our responsibility to incorporate bourgeois criminality into our political indictments. The capitalist conspiracy against the people is real. To quote Carl Ogelsby: “Conspiracy is a formalized practice of an entire class in which a thousand hands spontaneously join. Conspiracy is the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means.” To struggle for a democratic future, we must maintain a people’s history unfettered by bourgeois gatekeepers. Now is not the time to shy away from hidden histories.

Ray F

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      Why 'Debunkers' HelpThe 911 Truth Movement

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      Why 'Debunkers' Help
      The 911 Truth Movement
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      Two kinds of 9-11 truth deniers (debunkers) exist today:  Those who deny our government has the expertise to carry out the 9-11 attack, and those who deny our government is diabolical enough to do it.  Both are sadly mistaken. 

      If you present them with the many suspicious anomalies of 9-11, they demand your proof. If you present them with proof, they deny it with scarcely a glance. If you mention the scientific laws that were broken on 9-11, they claim you are no authority. If you quote an authority, they claim he is no expert in that particular field. 

      All truths passes through three stages, said the philosopher Schopenauer. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. 

      Debunkers, those people who adamantly deny government involvement in the 9-11 conspiracy, who adamantly deny such a conspiracy could even occur, are stuck in the first and second stages.  

      At first it may seem we are battling an insurgency here. The debunkers are strong, well-organized and well-funded. They are smart. They have strength and numbers; cunning and clever intelligence. They use persuasive power and intimidation, propaganda and a network of allies. 

      Their strongest attribute is their sincere belief that to "debunk" your every argument--no matter how sound--is the purest form of patriotism. Indeed, Saul of Tarsus believed he was a pure, patriotic warrior for God, persecuting the early Christian believers. That is, until he reportedly got knocked off his horse and changed his name to Paul and became a believer himself. 

      The saddest part of our struggle with this insurgency is that many of these debunkers appear to be honest but misguided patriots. They range from diehard conservatives, believers in the US government's version of 9-11 events, to the so-called, "Left Gatekeepers," the strident liberal critics of an increasingly dictatorial state who nonetheless believe every key component of the 9-11 attack as told to them by their government. The exact same government they loudly criticize for lying to them in every other facet.

      Debunkers, not content in their core beliefs, slam those of us who question any facet of 9-11. They deride us as conspiracy nuts and loonies. Or worse, desecraters and traitors. 

      We in the 9-11 Truth Movement are battling a desperate insurgency. Desperation is the key word; time is not on their side. They recognize the rising danger of a well-informed American citizenry. From Leftists Alexander Cockburn and Noam Chomsky to Neocon apologists and 9-11 debunkers Tucker Carlson, Hannity & Colmes and Condi Rice, they have shouldered the government's propaganda burden to suppress the rising tide of information and clarion calls that clamor for a true investigation of 9-11 events. 

      Recently a new columnist at Counterpunch.com attempted to debunk and defuse the many 9-11 inconsistencies in a feature, In Defense of Conspiracy: 9/11, in Theory and in Fact.  Diana Johnstone wrote, "Who profits from the crime?"---but without really acknowledging any of those rich and powerful people who profitted immensely. I emailed her and she responded about a week later. 

      "Dear readers and critics, Thank you for your comments on my 9/11 piece...Please understand that I have been snowed under by responses -- over 50,000 words, plus attachments and web site references, still coming."

      Ouch. The surging tidal wave of the 9-11 truth movement had engulfed another debunker. 

      But just why are debunkers good for the 9-11 truth movement? Because they serve a great purpose. And as mentioned, many of them are true patriots, good, conscientious citizens. They want what we want. Good honest government. 

      Perhaps the greatest benefit of so-called debunkers is that they prod, goad, ridicule and agitate. They challenge us--and who doesn't like a good challenge?---to get our 9-11 facts straight. Prodding us to dig deeper and sift the truth from the fiction. Goading us to devise more convincing arguments. Ridiculing us for embracing whatever rumor we may have heard as scientific fact. Agitating us to such a degree we stubbornly redouble our efforts. 

      I have one such agitator. His name is Jan Burton. I had considered spamming Jan but what he writes refreshes me, challenges me. And much of what he writes has a great deal of hard truth based on facts. 

      Jan is no troll, intent on simple provocation. He dares me to call those involved. He prods me. He agitates and exasperates me. If every one of us in the so-called Truth Movenment did as much prodding and goading of our local newspaper editor, US Representative or local structural engineer, would we or would we not eventually wear them down? 

      As Paul wore down his critics. 

      I believe--and I may be wrong--that behind most 9-11 deniers, most debunkers are good and decent people. Should half of them ever became convinced 9-11 was an inside job, they would become as forceful as Paul. A more powerful force for change than most of us have been. 

      Footnote:  In my last column, "OKC & WTC: The Case For Controlled Demolition,"  I noted the many suspicious fires that ignited in WTC-7 (but did not ignite in the other two buildings alongside WTC-7).  The FEMA report at www.WTC7.net is an interesting read.  The report emphasizes the fires on floors 11-13, the Security & Exchange offices. Directly beneath the SEC were two floors of Secret Service offices (also on fire). FEMA deduces: "It is likely that fires started as a result of debris from the collapse of WTC 1."  Yet no fires were reported below the seventh floor and NIST reported no debris had struck the roof. To conclude that the fires may have been purposely set--ARSON-- does not appear to dawn on these government detectives. NIST also notes that one of the first fires reported occured---where else---at mayor Giuliani's command post on the 23rd floor, the OEM, Office of Emergency  Management. I suspect certain operatives were torching the building--as any GOOD detective or insurance investigater would have concluded. 

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      Debunking Truthers and Debunkers!

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      If you have never looked at 911research.wtc7net then please do. This amazing site ran by Jim Hoffman is second to no none at separating the wheat from the chaff. The site debunks 9/11 truther talking points and debunks the so-called 9/11 debunkers as well. 

      The real truth is obviously almost always the goal of someone who is not backing a team in a major controversial debate. If someone is following the truth wherever it leads, then inevitably you will see them upsetting people on both sides of the debate. 

      Hoffman also runs WTC7.net, which is great website as well. 


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      Tuesday, September 29, 2026

      Lil Vader — The Dark Side Has Bars

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      Lil Vader — The Dark Side Has Bars

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      Somebody out there has apparently created a whole hip-hop persona called Lil Vader — yes, L-I-L Vader — and they're taking the mythology of Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, the Dark Side, the fall from grace, and all the other themes surrounding one of Star Wars' most iconic characters and turning them into surprisingly serious-sounding hip-hop.

      And this isn't just one joke track. From what we've found, there are already a handful of songs, and it looks like there may be an entire Lil Vader album in the works.

      It's a pretty damn clever parody concept: take the tragedy, anger, ambition, betrayal, redemption, and dark-side mythology of Anakin/Vader and translate it into rap music as though Darth Vader had his own hip-hop alter ego.

      Whether you're a Star Wars fan, a hip-hop fan, or just appreciate somebody taking a ridiculous idea and actually making it sound good, Lil Vader is worth checking out.

      Listen to Lil Vader and follow the project here:
      https://youtube.com/@ai-ruins-everything-studios?si=inIPeaPr1Gq8_GU9

      Watch "Mace fell out of a Windu - Lil Vader (Official Video)" on YouTube

      Watch "Dooku's Little Head (fell off) - Lil Vader" on YouTube
      https://youtu.be/yHt3U4hFFOI?is=PE7ialNoTuX7ZzR5 

      Watch "Bodyguard - Lil Vader (Official Video)" on YouTube

      Watch "The Chosen One - Lil Vader (Official Video)" on YouTube
      https://youtu.be/TU2kznN8diY?is=7Nfj9M2gpCRwkECk 

      Diss song from HIS SON, Son!
      Watch "Lil Vader (Diss Track) - OG Luke Lonewalker @Ai-Ruins-Everything-Studios " on YouTube
      https://youtu.be/pnbIrLypCDI?is=BTvZ3syNVWSj4sUD 

      May the bars be with you. 🌑🎤

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