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RESPONSE To: 'The Early Internet & 9/11 Conspiracies - Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy | The Daily Show'

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Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy - A New Podcast From The Daily Show Jordan Klepper has heard a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theories at Trump rallies, including this shiny emerald: Osama bin Laden was a CIA operative named Tim Ossman. Together with Dr. Joan Donovan, research director of Harvard’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, and Korey Rowe, co-producer of “Loose Change,” Jordan unpacks how the early days of the internet and social media have shaped 9/11 conspiracy theories that are still popping up in more places than rallies two decades later, and they discuss how the right wing has weaponized conspiracy theories for political gain and what conversations we should be having about the role of the media. #DailyShow #JordanKlepper

The entire video is at the bottom of the page and I did view all of it, but this summary is pretty much what I am responding to, so here goes...

Trump rallies, huh? So, conspiracy theories are right wing now, are they? The current powers that be are seemingly trying to push this idea, but even their very own academic research has an extraordinarily hard time doing so and despite many feats of mental gymnastics in the end they still have to admit...

"We find little difference in conspiracy theorizing between the right and left."

The 9/11 truth movement has always been an abnormally bi-partisan movement, perhaps because there is truth there for all to find!?!?

The 9/11 truth movement encompasses a disparate group of adherents to a set of overlapping conspiracy theories that dispute the general consensus of the September 11 attacks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_truth_movement

Yes, disinformation abounds and again this very fact speaks to the idea that there is truth worth mucking up with such disinformation...


But I digress, yes, the left wing has always played an enormous role in the truth movement. Take this documentary film that largely focuses on the massive protests during the 2004 Republican Convention in NYC for example...

Here is another example in the form of a left wing guest contributor blog post on this site that addresses the left wing advocates for 9/11 truth...

David Slesinger Interviews Howard Zinn About the 9/11 Truth Movement

That being said, it has been acknowledged for a very long time that there is opposition to 9/11 conspiracy theories by the left, but the right wing has had its fair share of gatekeepers too. It is arguable that more right wing individuals changed their tune over time once they came into contact with new information... 

The Left Gatekeepers Phenomenon

Also See:

Why The Truth About 9/11 Is Censored By The Media
Several months after 9/11, famed news anchor Dan Rather told the BBC that American reporters were practicing "a form of self-censorship... Indeed, journalists who have even asked innocuous questions about 9/11 have been threatened.  And, referring to another topic, a leading MSNBC news commentator has said that there is self-censorship in the American media... The same BBC that went on to produce documentaries supposedly debunking 9/11 truth, heavily relying on 9/11 "experts" from Popular Mechanics...
FLASHBACK: Video Clips Of Hannity Attacking 9/11 Truthers & 9/11 Science


Outfoxed: Bill O'Reilly attacks 9/11 victim's son

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Sep 11, 2015 — Jeremy Glick being ruthlessly attacked and smeared by. Bill O'Reilly for years. Watch the full film, "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on ...

O'Reilly Takes on 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist!

Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com › story › oreilly-takes-on-9-...
Jan 13, 2015 — As we told you last night, University of Wisconsin instructor Kevin Barrett has called President Bush a murderer, saying he orchestrated 9/11 ...
Why won't Tucker play Dr. Steven Jones video of World Trade Center 7 Collapsing @Free Fall?

Throwback: Tucker Carlson Calls 9/11 Truth Activists Parasites

Tucker Carlson Once Mocked Conspiracy Theories, Said ‘Alex Jones Freaks Me Out’

ALEX JONES SHOWING TUCKER CARLSON 9/11 CLIPS ABOUT WTC 7, WHISTLEBLOWERS...

Tucker Carlson Supports Asking Questions About WTC 7
“So, it’s not a matter of falling for crazy theories,” said Carlson, “it’s a matter of letting the evidence guide your perceptions, okay?”    He went on to state:    “If you go on TV tonight and say I think the earth is flat, people will just laugh at you. They don’t care if you think the earth is flat. It’s not a threat to anyone.    “But if you say, like…’what actually happened with Building 7? That is weird, right? What is that?’ If you were to say something like that on television, they’d flip out. They would flip out. You would lose your job over that.”

Speaking of Alex Jones, in the below video Korey Rowe of Loose Change fame also proves that left wingers are a big contingent of 9/11 truth advocates with his criticism of Jones. Regarding Jones, much disfo was spewed by all in the video, so here is some truth...

Alex Jones in the News Again for Sandy Hook Lawsuits - What Exactly Did He Say FOR REAL NO SPIN - Jones Has Been Targeted for What He Gets Right Not Something He May Have Got Wrong:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/02/alex-jones-in-news-again-for-sandy-hook_14.html

Joe Rogan is right about Alex Jones being right about a lot and more than he knows...
http://trumpisright.blogspot.com/2018/12/joe-rogan-is-right-about-alex-jones.html

Geraldo, who previously, flipped off 9/11 truthers, changes his tune once he finds out about 9/11 family members concerns backed by scientists...

Here is AE911Truth mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti on the show "Geraldo At Large" on FOX News.  

How about these left wing conspiracy theories...




Now, regarding Osama being a CIA agent named Tim Osman. I will leave this link here for you all to explore and decide on your own...

Proof that Osama bin Laden Was CIA and Died in 2001 — Bush – Laden – CIA Connections
Economics Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa has just completed a detailed history of bin Laden’s career detailing his secret funding and logistical support to terrorist organizations beginning from his early CIA-supported roots in the 1980s as a “freedom fighter” through to the present day.  Tim Osman (Ossman) has become better known as Osama Bin Laden. “Tim Osman” was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments. […] There is some evidence that Tim Osman … visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn’t this been reported in the major media?...
https://alfredvierling.com/?p=4723



But again this very well may be disinformation, as there are much more solid facts regarding Osama's and his minions connections to the CIA.

First off, this bears repeating...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.htmlMany people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rogue elements of the US government and intelligence apparatus, as well as other international intelligence agencies, were involved, doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth debunkers.

 

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers ("debunkers" just assert they are all confused lying with no basis), and peer-reviewed studies of the physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States” - Former DEMOCRAT Sen. Bob Graham on 60-Minutes 

Now that that is out of the way, what's this cray cray conspiracy thing about Osama in the CIA???

Rogue Elements of US and Other International Intelligence Agencies Involved in 9/11?
https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2016/03/rogue-elements-of-us-and-other.html

Excerpts:

April 2023 Update:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2023/04/bombshell-some-911-hijackers-were-cia.html

Updated 9/6/2019

Update from James Dorman:

The CIA Agent Larry Mitchell meeting Bin Laden is something I'm a bit Leary of. However, Summers and Swann(authors of The Eleventh Day) seem to believe it as well. They talked to the reporter who wrote the story for the French paper Le Figaro, then talked to the source of that reporter, and French Intelligence officials. They believe it happened.  I'm not denying it. It's just hard for me to believe they would actually meet with him face to face rather than have the Saudis handle whatever business they were discussing.

CIA Admits Foreknowledge of 9-11 - "We had very, very good intelligence of the general structure and strategies of the Al Qaeda terrorist organization.  We knew and we warned that Al Qaeda was planning a major strike.  There need be no question about that." - CIA Deputy Director James Pavitt

On Septemer 11th 2012, Kurt Eichenwald, reported in the New York Times:
9/11 Warnings Revealed: CIA Reported Attack ‘Will Occur Soon’ 
The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.
Those warnings not being heeded are one thing, but a report from the French paper Le Figaro claiming that a CIA agent met with bin Laden two months before 9/11 is undoubtedly suggestive of complicity given all that the CIA knew and that bin Laden was on the FBI's top ten wanted list sine 1998.  The 9/11 "debunking" website 9/11myths.com tries to cast doubt on the validly of this report, while at the same time admitting possible confirmation, they state:
Author Richard Labeviere later wrote a book, where he said "a Gulf prince who presented himself as an adviser to the Emir of Bahrain" confirmed the meeting, which had been arranged by Prince Turki al-Faisal of Saudi Arabia.

Confirmation? Maybe, but again we don't know the source, so there’s no way to determine its accuracy.
Hasn't this site ever heard that a good reporter never reveals their sources? In the words of John Coulter of the Irish Daily Star, "If you can't keep your gob shut about your sources, never, Never, NEVER become a journalist."

That being said, Labeviere did reveal some details about his sources, through who he revealed very detailed information, including the name of the CIA station chief in question! A 2003 Reuters report states:
Labeviere said he learned of an encounter from a contact in the Dubai hospital, and said the event was confirmed in detail during a separate interview in New York with a Gulf prince who presented himself as an adviser to the Emir of Bahrain.

The prince, who the author met in a Manhattan hotel in November 2001, appeared very well-informed about the CIA-bin Laden meeting.

Labeviere said the second contact told him the face-to-face had been arranged by Prince Turki al-Faisal, the head of the Saudi General Intelligence Department...

Labeviere named Larry Mitchell as the CIA station chief who met bin Laden, describing him as a colorful figure well-known on the Dubai social circuit.
And as HistoryCommons.org points out:
French counterterrorism expert Antoine Sfeir says the story of this meeting has been verified and is not surprising: It "is nothing extraordinary. Bin Laden maintained contacts with the CIA up to 1998. These contacts have not ceased since bin Laden settled in Afghanistan. Up to the last moment, CIA agents hoped that bin Laden would return to the fold of the US, as was the case before 1989.
We also have reports of an Al Qaeda trainer who it turns out worked with the Green Berets, CIA, and FBI! "Triple Cross or Inside Job?"

End of excerpts.

At the end of the day, the fact remains, there is an intellectual case for a conspiracist worldview that posits that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, therefore conspiracy is the MO of those in power, the norm and not an aberration. 

Joe Rogan Interviewee, Mick West, Discusses 9/11 and Conspiracies with JM Talboo of 911debunkers.blogspot.com
https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/mick-west-discusses-911-and.html

Show Notes Excerpts:

The CIA Didn't Literally Invent the Term 'Conspiracy Theorist' But THEY ARE Responsible for the Connotation:

https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-cia-didnt-literally-invent-term.html

TTR Episode 28: JM Talboo & Larry Pinkney Talk Black Panthers, Racism, Trump, Vomitstream Media, Censorship, Being Conspiracy Analysts NOT Theorists, 9/11 Truth, UFOs and More!:

http://truthtellersradio.blogspot.com/2019/07/ttr-episode-28-jm-talboo-larry-pinkney.html

Operation Gladio was a false-flag terror program set up by the CIA and NATO. Although Gladio was eventually exposed, it was not just a single event, but an ongoing operation that remained secret for decades, in which hundreds of innocent people were killed and injured in terrorist attacks that were blamed on other groups. Many people believe the program is still operational.

33 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. 

42 admitted false flag attacks.

Responses to 'The truth is rushing out there: why conspiracy theories spread faster than ever':

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2016/01/responses-to-truth-is-rushing-out-there.html

Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.html

Externally Reviewed Open Source (NIST WTC 7 Report Was Neither) University Study Lead by Civil Engineering Professor: Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11 - All its supporting columns needed to give way at the same time to cause the observed collapse:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/fire-did-not-cause-3rd-towers-collapse.html


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