Thursday, August 28, 2008

Top 40 Reasons the Official 9/11 Story is Bunk!


The following is from, extra info and back-up for the claims made have been added in the form of hyperlinks and bracketed text.


We are continuing to compile the best documentation links for every single point on this page, and intend to post the updated version as soon as possible, and create teaching tools and more from the info. This is a significant and time-consuming process--if you have useful links, please send them to janice[at]911truth[dot]org. Thanks for your help! If you use the search function with title key words, you will discover that is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by, the 9/11 Reading Room (, and the NY Attorney General Spitzer petition and complaint ( For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.


1) AWOL Chain of Command

a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable. c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike

How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93

Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?


6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites and, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)


8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

[Counter point: More on the 9/11 Put Options]

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?,0,1825231.story

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.

[In 2001 then Secretary of State Colin Powell stated that the government would soon "put out a paper ... that will describe clearly the evidence that we have linking" bin Laden to 9/11. One day later the government reneged on this pledge and no such paper has ever been offered. So it seems that the first statement from the FBI was the honest one. Bin Laden has admitted to being involved in 9/11, but just like the FBI he has made contraduictory statements and denied his guilt on three reported occasions, including once on video, but this doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Afterall, there is circumstantial evidence against him in the form of a video showing him meeting with with some of the hijackers. And as points out, "Since 9/11, al-Qaeda have released footage of several of the hijackers. These include a number of video wills, where they talk about jihad and attacking America." Click here for more info.]

b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.

d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.

c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.

b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.

c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission''s request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn''t the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux
a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (

b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell''s) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola''s faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims'' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?


29) "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush''s go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution
a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense (, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?


38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.


Ground Zero aftermath movements: - Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up ( "Radio Silence" ( Skyscraper Safety (

Election fraud and black box voting, 2000 to 2004. (

Lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. (
Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (See, "The War at Home")

Oklahoma City Truth movement. (Offline, but not forgotten - May 9, 2008!)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order" - An unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.

GOING FORWARD ..."But an inside job would involve thousands of people! How could they keep a secret?" Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.

Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources)

Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes - Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival. (End of article.)
Still not convinced that the facts speak for themselves? Perhaps you are a coincidence theorist, or GASP... a 9/11 debunker!

Interview with 2008 Presidential Candidate Orion Karl Daley

Original post location and date:
July 16, 2007

John-Michael Talboo (JMT)-Q:

So Orion, you are running as a Balanced Party candidate. How did the conception of the Balanced Party come about, and why do you think it's a good alternative for voters?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

In November 2004, 21% of the voter population put the current poor leadership into office, and another 20+% voted for the Democrats who ran with their tail between their legs when the results were left uncontested. 60% of the voter population let others make the decision for them, as already feeling left out in the cold.

I was fed up with the poor leadership already and the lack of the sense of responsibility that they demonstrate for our nation as a people. My immediate concerns were the health, safety and welfare of my family which cannot be assured unless it is for our nation.

Spending the next few years, plans were drafted for the New Deal. This now provides a compelling alternative for Election 2008. It is to reform government and the economy, so we as individuals, communities, and as a nation are empowered with a strategic future.

I believe that 80% of the voter population can be inspired to vote for the New Deal regardless of their personal differences and political followings. They can find a solid common ground in the Balanced Party.


Yes, it really does seem many Americans are fed up with the two party system. There seems to be more political theatre that goes on as opposed to actual solutions. I'm going to touch on a few of the big issues today with you Orion. First one on most voters’ minds is of course Iraq.

Do you believe we should have ever engaged in this war to begin with? Secondly, how do you propose we put an end to this mess we have gotten ourselves into?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

To answer the first part of your question JM I would say that the justification that Saddam was in bed with al Qaeda even if this was true, I would have rather invested our resources in Afghanistan and complete the job as much as possible there. We owed it to the American People to capture bin Laden, and not let him slip off the radar when he sneaked out of Tora Bora. Saddam also had no interest in al Qaeda, as in being a dictator would not need that type of distraction in Iraq.

The notion of Weapons of Mass Destruction was also dismissed by the UN security council, as remembering vividly the weapons inspector’s statements, and that Iraq was providing full cooperation with the inspections. Also we have to consider that today we all can enjoy Google Earth. The military I would hazard a guess should have been watching Iraq in the same manner for years if it had such a concern. The photos from the Cuban Missile crisis demonstrated WMD, and not Iraq. We also left Iraq very little wiggle room with respect to the no fly zone as well.

About being a threat to the region, and / or invading the US, as Rumsfeld had boasted, that it would only take about 6 days to topple Saddam's regime. So the question is posed - what threat?

About Freeing the Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam, I want to put some conditions about this answer. Let’s assume that before considering this, that we had not burnt our bridges with the World Court, and the UN Security Council. Let’s also assume, unrelated to bin Laden, that we were genuinely concerned about the Iraqi people like we should have been with Darfur. I would send in a special opts team, and take Saddam to the World Court. I would have them leave a message behind to have fair elections, or they will be visiting the World Court as well.

For the above purposes, an invasion in Iraq was not warranted. But let’s consider why it could be. During the Gas shortage in the 70's, we almost invaded Saudi Arabia in order to get to the Aramco reserves. In theory from an arrogant point of view, we could practice Manifest Destiny in Iraq, put in our own puppet government, (like that had before Saddam), and then some how secure America's stake in middle east oil. The fallacies with this are that where ever we have put a puppet government in place, they have fallen. Cuba, Iran, and Vietnam are some immediate examples.

It was obvious to me, 'John Q Public' that we had no good reason for invading Iraq in 2003. Further, I did not like the way the head of the Democratic lead Senate rolled over one day from an absolute staunch opposing position to the invasion. Many had seemed to take the position in Congress, that they would give a vote of Confidence to Bush, although having no basis for it.

It was also predictable that in invading Iraq, and imposing a puppet government as a political solution that there would be civil war and where our brave soldiers would be caught in the middle of urban house to house fighting. Offering 12 million voters very little choice in Iraq is not a true election.

What invading Iraq did serve is bin Laden's interest in bleeding and weakening our military reserves while building a perception of dislike for American's from Muslims, re-allocating our National Guard that should be protecting our borders and ports instead, a lot of serious military and munitions contracting.

What it has cost is as we know over 3,500 American lives, and a magnitude (10 times) more in severely wounded Americans, and a weakening of our economy from borrowing and incurring extensive foreign debt for financing our practice of imminent domain through manifest destiny. It has also cost well over 650,000 Iraqi lives, and I would hazard a guess that for every one killed that there are 10 wounded, and cost our friendship with our allies in Europe. It will additionally cost much healing time for the Iraqi vets, even if they are able to come home in one piece.

This act of invasion itself deserves due process of discovery once the Bush Administration is no longer in office.

As far as how I believe we should get ourselves out of Iraq it is apparent that as of today, most American's would just like to end the Iraq war, and bring our people home with no further delay. For a politician running for the Presidency, it is more than easy to just promise the immediate withdrawal, and pass the mess off to the UN that we had made there.

I believe that the Repubs have a point that in some so called phased withdrawal would make remaining US forces easier targets, and the Democrats have a point that there should be a time line for withdrawal. The Repubs have a point if and only if the Shiites and Sunnis are no longer shooting at us. The Dems could have a valid position that is, if and only if we have a real plan for Iraq, as opposed to just leaving them in the state they are in as a civil war when the time us up.

So as far as the Dems are concerned, they appear to be doing nothing more than just going through the political motions, where Bush can veto them. This is unacceptable in my opinion of how the American Government is to serve the people cost effectively.

Further, regardless of the Bush administration being responsible for the Iraq mess, we as Americans are just as responsible. A president that takes office in 2008 cannot just say, "I didn't do that, it’s not my fault, so we are just exiting Iraq". It is also easy to give fuzzy promises as an Election 2008 candidate, but later say that "there were mitigating circumstances where the time is just not right yet".

Many Americans gave their lives, or at a minimum their future health. Their families have also made significant sacrifices. They deserve their pride and dignity as Americans. There is no real healing than can take place without one's dignity in tact. That also goes for our allies and enemies as well.

We deserve our strategic pride as Americans, where we have not in good conscious gone out and destroyed lives in other parts of the world. Other wise, what makes us better than any other global tyrants? Being compromised financially to Foreign lenders such as China, also puts us in a weak position if they decide to address such a global tyrant. We loose any capital in foreign policy proportionally to how much of a tyrant we are. Domestically, our economy will grind to a halt.

But what is most important that as Americans, we have been raised with a conscious of what makes Americans very special. We want to pride ourselves as being the kindest nation. To be Americans we are also accustomed to a very most powerful and undauntable pride. And this is for good reason. Americans no matter what race, creed, color, religion, or followings and beliefs, are over all, decent, fair and moral minded people.

For us to do what is right in Iraq, in May 2004 I sent the following summary proposal for Senator, Biden, Dyrben, and others in the Senate and House.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: How to Fix Iraq
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:17:13 -0400
From: Orion Karl Daley Organization: The Trading Systems Network, Inc.

I'm missing why the obvious has not been addressed - please explain why we have had limited vision in terms of Iraq -

Example - To Fix Iraq

1- Split the land for three separate nations

2- Offer each a way to the UN - with Nonaggression rules

3- Allow each to join OPEC - with nonaggression rules

4- Provide Banking infrastructure in Saudi Arabia for the 3 nations

5- Provide irrigation services to instill both agricultural and oil Economies

6- Have the UN provide security against any one , or two nations against the other

-Orion Karl Daley

I would not want to confuse Biden's partitioning plan with the above which looks similar to Step 1. As far as Biden's new partitioning plan, I give no credit as he did not read the email thoroughly. They are to be sovereign nations, or the result is a civil war where we have passed responsibility of the real political solution off to the Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds to deal with. Hence, civil war continues.

The above is what I saw most fair then and is known as a plan 'Peace with Dignity, Iraq Exit Strategy' on the net, at,, and in the book, The New Deal. As sovereign nations, the Sunnis do not have to entertain Saudi dynamics, the Shiites would not need the same with Iran, and Kurds, who already have their own active government can easily embrace Sovereignty.

Just bringing this to the table at the UN to become involved brings the world into a peace with dignity effort, where the US can also mend friendships. For Iraq, the Sunnis and Shiites would no longer have a need for a civil war. During the planning a real cease fire can occur.

Our troops can safely downsize, as no longer being a substituted target of threat for both the Sunnis and Shiites. In Sovereignty, al Qaeda would also no longer serve any purpose and therefore this tension is also downsized. Al-Qaida would be out of a job, and jobs would become available in all three sovereign nations of Iraq.

As we can come home with unquestionable pride in doing the right thing, these nations would want to entertain American oil interests. We demonstrated their best interest in mind at the sacrifice of American lives.


Well Orion I have to say you have covered all you bases and have an honest plan. You seem very genuine in your motives. We never fully agree with a candidate’s views or plans. However, politics is a dirty business so candidates like yourself really deserve consideration and support. You seem to truly have the American and Iraqi people and their best interests in mind.

Now an element to all of this that most candidates won’t touch with a ten foot pole is possible government complicity in the attacks of 9/11. The current conflicts our country is involved in are a direct result of that painful day. So if there is any merit to this at all it is a trumping issue in my mind. What are your thoughts about the 9/11 truth movement and would you support a new truly independent 9/11 commission.

Orion Karl Daley-A:

What was once like trees in our front yard, is now the pit down the street. We were part of 9/11, but not those who had suffered.

I have much documented at and in the New Deal of my commitment for further due process and discovery on 9/11 where ever the path leads. It is not to be a back burner item, and without true recognition, we can not move forward as a nation.

I support any current effort for this process to gain momentum now. I believe also that one of the petition organizations should reach to the others about this, and aggregate all signatures. As a critical mass this can be brought to Congress for its sincere recognition before Election 2008. This effort should also not be lead by any Election 2008 Presidential Candidate either.


Fair enough... While we are the subject of Government misdeeds, here is a three fold question for you. Do you believe further compensation is warranted for the past use of Agent Orange in Vietnam? Also, do you believe a commission should be set up to get to the bottom of Gulf War illness. Finally, why do you think our veterans are treated so poorly?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

I believe what I shared in regards to your recent article that covered these subjects’ best sums up my thoughts...

Our nation will have a long road to its healing after Iraq. And if we cannot consider the older vets, then in our moral fortitude, where should we really start? Where ever we start should bring dignity to all vets and their families.

Congress was high about making moves over Walter Reed, and Bush even apologized for not being aware of the conditions. But consider not being aware of all who have served and have been forgotten. This has to be put smack in the face of Bush and the Congress and in the public's voice is the means to do so.

At, and in the New Deal I propose a comprehensive plan called 'Leave No Vet Behind'.

Our government must be transparent and accountable in what it does in the name of the people as a nation. Our vets and families in my opinion are first in line for this regard by the government.

Why this is not the case currently, can only be due to the disregard of the people by the current leadership in the executive and congressional branches of government.


Yes, disregard is the culprit Orion I agree. Complete lack of conscience and empathy, it is just astounding to me. The treatment of our veterans brings to mind the treatment of our citizens in general. The debate about the current state of affairs in our health care system has had a fire lit under it recently by Michael Moore, do you like any of his ideas? How do you propose improving the system?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

The other day I shared a message with some friends at This was:

It was blistering the other day in NYC when I arrived at a much needed water fountain where a man was doing some laundry. He said, please let me clean the soap off the fountain for you'. I thanked him.

Regardless if he is homeless, and I am not, we both have as much right to the same water fountain. To put this in perspective, unfortunate circumstances can trickle down on any one of us.

The Health of our Nation is reflected in our people, and I believe is a right deserved by all.

100% full quality health care for all does not have to be at tax payer’s burden, or through private enterprise health insurance policies.

It can be financed through fully tax exempt 'Health Care Bonds'. This allows it to be robust enough to meet the needs of national disasters, and other unexpected events while at a minimum provide full health care coverage to all.

In Detail...

I believe the government can lead health care innovations in order to benefit the people, and the private sector will follow in order to take advantage of the resulting business opportunities. When the private sector leads, the focus on business profits causes diminishing quality of service. My concern is that health care costs will continue to rise while private health care offers less and less benefit to the public.

I propose the 'People's Health Care Plan.' This consists of a Federal universal health care program that leaves opportunity for the private sector to compete with fair additional offerings. Additionally, 'For the Good' community service based health care should be created for preventative health care.

1- The Federal Care program would afford fixed health care infrastructure costs; make services available when needed by all U.S. Citizens, and cover health treatments and remedies adequately up to 100% with quality service.

This is to include but not be limited to chronic care, emergencies, restorative health, post operative recovery treatments, and generic prescription programs. There are no deductibles and no loss of coverage when in between jobs, when economically disadvantaged or when in retirement.

The Federal Health Care Plan is to be funded by moving Medicare/Medicaid into a people's health care general fund. and by replacing normal employer/employee health care insurance plans with a monthly contribution to the people's health care general fund that is about half of what is normally paid. He believes that this alone as not being profit based can address basic quality coverage.

Additionally the Federal Care program is to be galvanized by funding from fully tax exempt health care bonds. OKD believes that the tax exempt bonds will become actively traded in the financial markets. They will also allow the public to make tax exempt investments.

In addition to having a robust health care fund, he believes that this also provides coverage of natural disasters like hurricane Katrina, for first responders when in a state of emergency, the public if when under a terrorist attack and epidemics which at this point are not being competently embraced by the government.

2- 'For the Good' community based offerings are to address the economically disadvantaged with a focus on preventative health care. Health practitioners may receive tax benefits based on community service quotas and level of service.

3- The Private Sector is welcome to operate honestly by offering competitive alternatives, add-ons for such things as elective surgery and post operative care, and additional services that they feel could interest consumers.


Sign me up! Illegal immigration is another hot topic these days Orion and being a Balanced Party candidate I'm sure you a have a middle ground we all can stand on? How can we solve this problem while taking all into consideration?
Orion Karl Daley-A:
There are a lot of misgivings about our current awareness, and what we are doing about immigration. It has actually been an issue for some time, but no focus has really been put on it, except recently.

The public has been thrown a bone of patronizing sense of empowerment. For the people, this in the new form of racism. 'They are not like you, they are also Illegal'.

I believe that it has been used as a distraction by the Executive Branch, so as not to focus on the other 'nuts and bolts' that have been coming loose with our nation. This also serves Election 2008 Candidates for what kind of red/blue divides they wish to create. And, for Senate Lobbyists, in the name of people like Bill Gates, it is used for the purpose of opening up our local labor markets to a further flood of cheap guest worker labor.

Some due diligence about this has been addressed at and in the New Deal. This is in addition to 5 revisions of the 1986 Immigration Act, in order to give the issue the time and focus that it is worth as workable laws.

In all the 'Hearsay', we should have a few points of reference. This in order to filter the noise in the media, and actually account for why neither side of the Senate in the recent Immigration Bill did not serve the issue genuinely.

The IRS knows of 12.5+ million unregistered immigrants. This is because they are registered with the IRS, which does not share information. But let’s hazard a guess that the average annual wage in the USA for unregistered immigrants is $20,000 or $200,000.000 for 10 million immigrants. The Average income tax per year to the nation is $50,000,000 per year. The immigrant by definition is what makes up the backbone of this country. Like the colonials, they are those who are not looking back, but see their future as US Citizens.

Guest workers that are flooded in this country ship about $800,000,000 per year out of our country. It goes back to their homes in foreign lands. This is money that is not circulating in our communities. Our economy simply cannot afford this.

For resolve the following is proposed:

2- The Laws: Consider what are 'Fines' and what is 'Amnesty' when it comes to the existing residing unregistered Immigrants.

As the Economy is the primary factor for the level of immigration, in volume, that can be allowed, and in compliance with the noted proposed criterion (a - e) below, The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 so shall be proposed for revision by Congress. This is to allow the United States to have fare and just law for immigration subject to the level of economic burden that can be supported by our nation.

a- For those who are paying taxes, should be able to register with out fear of reprisal. They are contributors to our economy, and therefore our country. For those who are not paying taxes, are in fact taxing our economy. In both cases we have to know, who is willing to swear an allegiance to our country, and who is not.

b- Those not willing swear an allegiance to our country, and are employed, must leave until our economy can support their presence. In other words, when Americans are no longer out of work, can we afford to have foreigners here that want to ship money out of our country; and not before. That is regardless if they pay taxes or not. The jobs can be for Americans at realistic and fare market rates, that are not suddenly below earlier market rates, who can also pay the taxes, and not have to them need to collect unemployment.

For example, an IT Specialist previous to 9/11 could earn upwards of $90-100 dollars per hour. The same job description is now filled at $40-$50 per hour.

c- For those who are employed, and willing to swear an allegiance, allow them to do so. They want to be Americans, and this is what our country was built on.
d- For those who are not employed, and willing to swear an allegiance, they are to register with the Government for employment ; If below the age of 60, and able bodied, they are allowed 60 days of residence, and if not gainfully employed by then, must be sent to the country of origin, where they can await notification of employment. If they are not able bodied, and/or over 60, I think we really have to search who we are, if to want to send them away.

e- For those not willing to register, and employed or not employed demonstrate no intent to work with the constraints that we must have for immigration. This includes Iraqi Refugees, or anyone who is not natively born in this country. They cannot be permitted to live here. In our current economy, We can only allow those who are, or intended to be Americans the right to live here under our laws as a Civil Society.

As noted in A-2 above, each offense requires that one is processed for a period of time where they are photo graphed and finger printed. There is no fun in this when one's intent is come into our country. When sent back, if one gets too many points, say starting at 10, then you will be locked up instead for a period of 60 days and then sent back.

Further as noted, this is not intended to conflict with Amendment 13 of the Constitution on involuntary servitude or to imply some form of slavery. Although not also intended to be a paid vacation to a country club, those retained for a period of time are to be treated in a humane manner as all visitors to the United States.

3- No Open Borders We cannot just have open borders, and that is not recommended here either.

Our Borders must be secure, and in our current times, this is where the National Guard should be deployed. We can build walls, but this becomes a permanent fixture that walls us in as much as walls others out. The current administration has done this over and over again. This is not in our history, and it is not the American Way.

Noted earlier, in our current economy we also cannot afford the spirit of Emma Lazarus that is written on the tablet of the Statue of Liberty, but we must strive to be able to do this again once more, some day. For if not, then what do we stand for. What does Liberty stand for, if we are to ignore the history of the American Way?


Last question Orion. If you were sat down at a table with the USA constitution and the USA Patriot Act lying before you with a lighter and you HAD to burn one, which one goes up in a cloud of ash and fire?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

The Patriot Act has no place in a Civil Society. The US Constitution is written in plane English. Although its context is somewhat different as of yesterday, where the word privacy did not exist during its authoring, its principles can sustain time, where the Patriot Act has no future.

It surprises me how many in the Senate and the House , as well as the Executive Branch have not read the Constitution, as much as thinking that a Patriot Act could take its place. The Constitution, although coming before the Patriot Act, obsoletes the Patriot Act.

The real question comes to the surface - who in our elected leadership is capable of drafting such a work like the Constitution?


In other words... The Patriot act burns folks! Thanks for doing this interview with me Orion. If you believe Mr. Daley deserves to be on the 2008 Ballot in your town, please sign his petition by clicking here!

Interview with Yvonne White, a Host of the Popular Group "9/11 Conspiracy" on

Original post location and date:
Saturday, March 22, 2008

John-Michael Talboo (JMT)-Q:

For those who don't know is an activist social networking website with currently over 8 million members! The site features discussion groups of which the popular group 9/11 Conspiracy can be found which has a decent current membership of 783.

Yvonne White is a friend of mine and is one of five hosts to the group, being that Yvonne is a dedicated 9/11 activist and hosts a group with so many 9/11 truthers involved, I thought her perspective on the 9/11 Truth movement would be good convo.

So first off let me say hello dear friend and thanks for letting me conduct this interview. I appreciate all your hard work in promoting 9/11 truth issues more than you know.

Can you first off tell the readers how you became convinced the official story of September 11th was a fraud and also who you think the true culprits are?

Yvonne White-A:

Thanks for the intro John-Michael! I'm glad you included the fact that I'm just one of the hosts of the 9/11 Conspiracy group. From my perspective, I believe it's a great group with a very Liberal attitude - meaning we don't filter the news/articles/video feeds posted. But we also don't let NeoCONs harass the membership either.

There may be hundreds of Theories out there, but the most important (to me) is that NO Outside Terrorist could have planned and implemented the 9/11 attacks without major Inside Help. That's giving This Bu$h League Club the benefit of the doubt (that doubt being that Any Outside Organization was involved AT ALL).

Now back to "the question": Can you first off tell the readers how you became convinced the official story of September 11th was a fraud, and also who you think the true culprits are? I believe the first thing I said to my sister when she called to tell me the WTC was hit by a plane was "What is Bu$h up to? How is this gonna get us into Iraq?" I was only half-ass kidding.. but later I was only surprised that it took him so long to invade. By the time I got the call & turned on the TV my sister was saying this was the second building & plane.. and yet no fighter planes were in the air.. News crews were there, just like in New Orleans, but no military intervention was evident. Those News crews were trying to get out the news, interviewing people, interpreting events, relaying information - at First... then things started getting weirder than the fact that we were supposedly Under Attack. Planes were Lost or Misplaced, "Bu$h the Le$$er" was shown reading children's books & NOT dropping Everything to get to the War Room, Cheney was "at a secret location", suddenly we Knew the Terrorists Identities & news anchors started back-tracking on previous statements.. Suddenly we're supposed to forget what Demolitions look & sound like and what reporters & firemen & people in the street had said they heard & saw. Suddenly we're supposed to believe that Guliani’s 15 Million Dollar Bunker is not as safe as the streets of New York, which were supposedly under attack - but somehow he can keep those "unknown numbers of attackers" at bay??? The Pentagon is hit in the most recently updated & reinforced section, coincidence.. a plane Finally heads for the White House/Capitol Building/whatever in DC. and is either shot down or fell down depending on whatever version you choose.. and by that evening WTC 7 is "pulled", which means demolished, even though it was Never Hit and contained "the Bunker".. yeah, I was suspicious as hell.

I put the blame on the "people in charge". It's often said that conspiracy theories are too complex, too many people in the know would eventually blow the cover. But this Administration has side-stepped the issue altogether by simply pleading incompetence on one hand and "we're the only ones who can save you" on the other!

I was shocked that SO many News Agencies suddenly stopped asking hard questions (or any questions really), that even Dan Rather changed his analysis (we know what happened to him when he Did Finally start asking questions).

Here are a few questions that I'd have asked: How did some dude in a cave, no matter however rich his family is, co-ordinate & carry out suicide attacks in the USA?

Why, if the attacks were supposedly to "inflict damage & inspire terror", did they pick a Previous Target (it didn't work in the 90's when they Tried bombing the WTC) - why not National Symbols? Being from the Midwest, the WTC is not something I think of when I think American Symbols. The Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell, the Capitol Building, the White House, the Washington & Lincoln Monument - ANY of those would have been a Major Blow to the American Psyche... Not the WTC.. not even the Pentagon - though at least it is the symbol of the Military Industrial Complex. But it Seemed an after-thought to me.

Everyone in the country was upset, angry, and saddened.. but Terrorized? Maybe they were in New York, after all the Mayor was running around in the streets & attempting to put off elections.. Out here in the sticks, I was wondering why the biggest Crime Scene since Pearl Harbor was being carted off without proper management.. we've all seen CSI, and we were not impressed with the Feds on this.

Following the money is the first thing they say on all these cop shows.. Silverstein was the Very Recent owner of these suddenly explosive buildings (WTC), and Very well Insured! Even though Most Insurance Policies state they Do NOT pay for Acts of God OR Acts of War - and Bu$h himself stated this was an Act of War, hence the War on Terror!

And these jet-fuel-exploded skyscrapers should be in the book of World Records - as the First & Only Skyscrapers to FALL Down from short-lived fires without accompanying controlled demolitions..

There are just SO many things that Don't Ring True, and we are told to shut up & read the propaganda! Okay.. I'm starting to ramble.. I'm going to stop now.

Ramble on sister! So they never had you fooled for a second, huh? I instinctively knew something was up, but got duped for awhile.

Now when did the conception of the 9/11 Conspiracy group come about, and how did you get involved?

Also, anyone that is a part of this movement knows how hard it is to convince others that government complicity is the true culprit here. Have you gained any insight through hosting this group as to how people out there are most effective in demonstrating to others that we are dealing with complicity and not just incompetence?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! "So they never had you fooled for a second huh?" Fooled isn't the word I'd use. I was shocked & appalled, angry & sad.. and frightened for my family and friends. But it was not from Outside Terrorists that the fear came. It was the justification of the pervading dread that had loomed over America since the 2000 "election". So the shoe that dropped was not in the form expected, it was worse - because civilian casualties were involved.

Nobody WANTS to believe the highest levels of their own government could be involved in killing thousands of its citizens. But they do it all the time - war being the most obvious way.

This particular President has the most perverse history that I know of - mocking death-row inmates, killing small animals as a boyhood "prank", bankrupting companies, and having a mother who says on camera "these people are probably better off " about Katrina victims who had lost their homes, family, pets, and communities... so it's NO great stretch of the imagination to think he would have allowed Americans to die "for a good cause". In fact, the Katrina episode reinforced my belief and Opened the Eyes of quite a few others who had tried desperately to cling to the illusion of Incompetence rather than the cold-blooded execution of their Agenda.

But there were Too Many "special circumstances" to ignore about 9/11. One plane hitting one building could have been a fluke, even that building falling down Could have been a fluke.. but it wouldn't have worked for their causes. Imperial Presidencies need Lots of Backup - at least one plausible Terrorist Group to blame, Media Enablers, Congre$$, Corportaions, Military, etc. The Terrorist Group was key, an Intelligence Operative had already identified Bin Laden & warned repeatedly that he wanted to hurt America and Bin Laden was safely tucked away in a country that had ruined Russia! Perfect! Also perfect in that the man who did this work & knew the most about Bin Laden died in the WTC on 9/11. The Media was muzzled quickly, by the end of day. Corporations were more than willing to buy into "protection". The Military was more than ready to get into the game. Congre$$ was a bit harder to arm-twist, but that was solved by Anthrax letters and No Arrests, No Convictions (yet They can Protect us from Terrorists???).

We have tons of 9/11 Conspiracy info at the group. Most of it well documented & much better presented than my brief ranting.

I should mention that the macho swaggering of Bu$h the Lesser and the cross-me-&-get-shot-in-the-face style of Cheney has made it Much easier for people to question the whole "we're Just Stupid" thing.

Katrina pushed a LOT of people over the edge. The genocidal aspect was hard to overlook. We got many new members afterward.

I'm not the founder of 9/11 Conspiracy. But I was very flattered when I was asked to co-host. I believe it's important for people to be able to question the government "line" on 9/11 and everything that has come since.


I like your rants over many others painstaking analysis! :)

You know Yvonne the 9/11 truth movement has seen both exciting and freighting things taking place as of late. Some big positives being the Japanese and European Parliament taking notice of the issues we are talking about. But on the other hand, 9/11 activists are not just being called conspiracy theorists, but anarchists akin to the likes of Timothy McVeigh. The program Morning Joe on MSNBC even stated that 9/11 truthers should be taken to a secret military prison in Eastern Europe!

Where do you see the 9/11 truth movement heading, and do you think we will achieve a new independent or international investigation?

Yvonne White-A:

One of the main reasons I joined 9/11 Conspiracy is because the Mainstream Media was just reading the Bu$h-Cheney script instead of Investigating. There weren't any Woodward & Bernstein’s out there - and at least one of them were in the Bu$h's pocket! Woodward belatedly did a minor expose, but too little, too late. Is it because MM itself is afraid of being carted off to detention camps?

For some I believe so. Dan Rather was duped & "retired" after years of fine reporting. Keith Olbermann was "pranked" with fake anthrax... but those anthrax letters on the first go-round were real - and NO body has been indicted! These people who are in "Intelligence Gathering" are seemingly too mentally challenged to follow leads. They need everything spelled out, either put in writing or spoken slowly & clearly over a tapped line.

I'm not too worried about being "disappeared". I am so far from Ground Zero that I personally have NO Proof of anything to do with 9/11 that I can testify to. But I do think Big Brother keeps tabs on our group, our emails, and probably our phone calls. Most of the time I wish they'd mind their own business, occasionally I Hope they're paying attention & sweating a bit.

There were too many oddities about 9/11 for people NOT to notice & wonder about. Hijackers have taken planes before, it was a fad back in the day to take one to Cuba..

But four planes is a Conspiracy, and four planes that were to a degree successful seems highly unlikely Without Help from Inside. There have been Rules in place for 40 years or so about what is Supposed to Happen when a hijacking is taking place, or Thought to be taking place. The FAA knows them, the military knows them, supposedly the Terrorists know them. Yet NONE of the rules were followed. Somehow Cheney was in charge. Somehow planes disappeared & reappeared, fighter jets were misdirected, etc., etc., etc.

Again, I have to question the targets chosen. A man Buys these buildings and within a few Months they're attacked & get "blown up". Not ALL of them, but more than the 2 actually hit. WTC 7 was "pulled" by the mans own admission, recorded by TV crews. Rudy's bunker was in WTC 7, if I was a New Yorker I'd want an In Depth Investigation into that item for starters!

Foreign press & governments have been suspicious of the "party line", if not from day one - then soon there-after. They should be. Even suspecting that this government could be so calculating & cold to its own citizens, then why would they trust the USA in any way?

The Bu$h-Cheney steamroller plowed through the wreckage of 9/11 to build the Imperial Presidency, to trash the Constitution, to diminish the UN, to destroy the Geneva convention, to wage "pre-emptive" unprovoked wars with lies, to ruin our Economy & our security for the sake of enriching Corporations. And it ALL began on 9/11. It ALL began with a NeoCON plan - PNAC was too prescient...In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, ABSENT some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor".

This PNAC group was led by such heavy hitters as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, James Bolton, Zalmay M. Khalilzad, William Bennett, Dan Quayle, Jeb Bush, most of whom were movers-and-shakers in previous Administrations, then in power-exile, as it were, while Clinton was in the White House. Now they were back & "ready to roll"! To be that "psychic", and yet NOT "ready" to deal with it is Not Just Incompetent, its Criminal! To feign Shock & bad communication, distractions, or whatever came to mind was as bogus as the "nobody could have foreseen" crap they spouted concerning the New Orleans Katrina insanity (attempted genocide seems like the correct description to me).

I allowed myself to hope that the 2004 election would help the country, then 2006.. but it feels different this time. I think Congre$$ will be Forced to deal with the Bu$h Leaguers this time. If Impeachment doesn't begin Before the Election, then Obstructionists will be Replaced (even if they are Democrats because, like Lieberman, in name only doesn't count any more!). Kucinich is out, though he was the Most Progressive of the original candidates. I know he was interested in the Truth on 9/11 & the necessity of Impeachment. McKinney is running on a Green Party ticket still. She was very vocal about 9/11, the Patriot Act, and Impeachment too. Which is probably why she was unseated. They tried to do that to Dennis too. The Democratic Party needs a reminder of what it is Supposed to Be. I'm hoping Obama is the one to do it. I believe Barack will be the eventual contender. I just hope he is as Open to Truth as he Seems to be.


I find Barack's recent statements regarding 9/11 government complicity encouraging and don't think he's received enough recognition for his willingness to intelligently discuss 9/11 truth issues. Perhaps if the outrage level stays high he could be persuaded to support a new investigation?

His foreign policy advisor Zbiniew Brezenski, who was vital in the creation of militant Islamic forces in Afghanistan and by some accounts is linked to Chechen Terrorism troubles me though. What are your thoughts on Brezenski?

Also, what do you think of supporting third party candidates like Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinny, and Orion Daley? Some argue this is throwing your vote away, but I say voting for the persons with the best ideas who speak the truth is what we all should be doing. Otherwise, who is really throwing their vote away? If it's counted that is. What say you Yvonne?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! Don't try to make me speak ill of a fellow Illinoisan.. the only thing I worry about with Obama is that he hasn't been Full-on Liberal/Progressive. But he seems to learn quickly!:) As for Zbigniew Brzezinski, he is just One of Obama's advisors and I don't know how much influence he has, but Obama is aware of his role in the Reagan Admin. & surely knows the online CONservative take on him. But hearing from Brzezinski's contacts would be helpful in negotiating certain things I'm sure. Anyway, Obama seems willing to hear from ALL sides. (But if he should suddenly start stock in FOX or appearing on their programs, I would have to re-evaluate the whole thing!;) Also, speaking of foreign policy advisors, I think it's beyond time to help establish a Palestinian state & cut back welfare to Israel’s military machine. Though Samantha Power's resignation may make that a bit harder to achieve. I'm sure the Israeli lobby pushed for that particular resignation.

A third party Presidency still seems at least one Election away to me. But if this election Doesn't result in a Total Renewal of America - restoring American Rights, Generating JOBs, Rebuilding Infrastructures, Repairing the Harm done to America's Image, Repealing the Patriot Act, Repealing & Rethinking NAFTA, Restoring America's Security (Social Security, a National, Single-Payer Healthcare System, as well as better monitoring of incoming freight & better use of DEA, FBI, & INS agencies), etc. - then a Third Party will Surely be the Next Step to Do the Job that both Democrats & Republicans have Failed to Do. And it's best both parties remember that while they Rely on attention deficit Americans to forget the Facts, those Same Americans want things fixed Yesterday.. so they'll only have one term to get Everything started (if not completely fixed).

We already have the beginnings of Change at our disposal. So Third Parties have more of a chance now than ever before. I used to think 3rd Parties were a wasted vote, but 3rd parties are getting more popular & more Populated - so the two Major Parties ignore those "other" voters at their own risk. The candidates you mentioned are all great, SO much more engaged & engaging than Bu$h the Le$$er. Voting is a personal thing & people should vote for the candidate they Want. If Kucinich went 3rd Party, I would renounce my life-time Democratic Party ticket & vote "early & often"!;)

Yeah, I like Kucinich as well. He has stated he would like a new full 9/11 investigation! Originally he had spoke of a partial investigation, so his new even stronger stance is encouraging. He is also investigating the issue of the 9/11 rescue workers health problems and how they and all New Yorkers were lied to about air quality.

Well to wrap up I wanted to ask you an unrelated question as I often do in these things. I was wondering if you agreed with the young activists who the Dalai Lama has been at odds with over how to best achieve independence for Tibet. They say that they agree with his non-violent method, but feel there should be no compromise on independence. Other than that brave soul I'll let you make a closing statement and again thanks for doing the interview.

Yvonne White-A:
We could Boycott the games, since China is Communist, horrible on Human Rights, etc. But we cannot call the kettle black when Bu$h has reduced us to their level. I can see Tibets's problem - the Dalai Lama has preached non-violence, but Chinese occupiers have no such taboo in place. America was founded by violent overthrow of an oppressive Foreign government - so we would be hypocrites to ask them nicely Not to do the same.

Now back to 9/11 Conspiracy.. it's a great group! It's a place to get information, differing from the Party Line, differing from the Media Propaganda, and occasionally differing from reasonable thought - but I hate censorship, so only the truly unreasonable Reich-wing hate-spouters who get banned or deleted. For the most part it's simply for people to come & realize they aren't the only ones to Question the Truth of 9/11 - not the only ones who think you can't explain away the evidence with Bu$h's "ya gonna believe your eyes, or what I tell you?" kind of force-fed Report (which did NOT include anything about WTC 7) - not the only ones who have come to realize this Bu$h Government is more dangerous to it's citizens than "terrorists" in foreign countries. I hope I haven't given the impression I'm a Bu$h hater with no sense of humor... because I Do have a Sense of Humor!;)

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