Friday, July 29, 2011

About "They Hate Our Freedoms"


http://truthaction.org/forum
James Dorman AKA jimd3100
Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:13 am

Screw loose change blog comments on my prior post on the motives of the fruitcake asshole hijackers and how they didn't attack us because they hate our freedom like Bush would have you believe ...of course he will defend this nonsense SLC blog says.....
About "They Hate Our Freedoms"

This is not a topic I generally cover, but I did think it was worth talking about. Former President Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress, noted:

"Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."
He graciously keeps himself from calling me an anti Semite and says.....
It is safe to say that there are probably a fair number of non-conspiracy theorists who disagree with Bush's formulation. Over at Truth Action, in a fairly good post, JimD3100 says:
Then quotes a part of the post I made including this part.....
We were not attacked because "they hate our freedoms" we were attacked because of our governments inference in the internal affairs of other countries and our governments unwavering support for Israel no matter what it does.
Then SLC says....
There are a lot of Truthers and even non-Truthers who would like to reduce the terrorism to nothing more than our support for Israel. But in the fatwa that Osama Bin Laden pronounced against the United States, support for Israel was only third on the list of grievances. The number one reason was the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, where they had been since the first Persian Gulf War. Number two consisted of the sanctions against Iraq that had been in place following that war.

There are a lot of Truthers and even non-Truthers who would like to reduce the terrorism to nothing more than our support for Israel.
LOL, he says this as he reduces terrorism down to "they hate our freedoms"

I guess he isn't aware that when he says....
The number one reason was the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, where they had been since the first Persian Gulf War. Number two consisted of the sanctions against Iraq that had been in place following that war.
That would fall under......
because of our governments inference in the internal affairs of other countries
SLC then goes on to say......
So maybe Bush phrased it poorly. But do they hate us for our freedoms? Yep.
So SLC does what they always do. Defend the Government and all it does at all costs. It's pretty obvious Bush or any other president doesn't want an informed public being told real truth. Because here it is straight from the horses mouth........

Ramzi Yousef who was the nephew of the so called mastermind of 9-11 KSM, was involved in the first attack on the WTC and it was his idea to fly planes into buildings as part of the Bojinka plot......
[A precursor plot to 9/11, Operation Bojinka, was stopped in 1995 when terrorists in the Philippines were caught planning simultaneous hijackings of up to a dozen planes. Bojinka was probably merely blowback -- but whether it was more than this or not, it clearly shows that the US "intelligence community" knew about the threat of a 9/11 type event years before it happened.- Source: http://www.oilempire.us/lihop-mihop.html]

Ramzi Ahmed Yousef:

You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.

You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.

And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years. . . .

The Government in its summations and opening statement said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/09/nyregion/excerpts-from-statements-in-court.html?pagewanted=1

Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day.
I didn't do any of that- I never dropped agent orange on anyone and have never done anything to any Palestinian, it was our Government. The people that died on 9-11 and in '93 died as a result of U.S. Government foreign policy, (inside job or not) before we can even decide if this is worth it we need to be at least aware of it, and the Government and their apologists don't even want us to do that.

I happen to think the American people have a right to be told the truth as to why thousands died on 9-11 and this is part of it. The government and SLC just want you to think those people were killed defending freedom. It's a load of BS. We have a right to be informed about what our government does in our name and that is part of the demand for declassification of documents, and the government hiding behind BS excuses to keep the public uninformed under the false guise of "National Security". Those people that were murdered on 9-11 didn't have any National Security on 9-11, and the Government lies about why they were killed. And it's no wonder why the Government would lie about it. But it's inexcusable for SLC to be a volunteer to continue this hoax.

Now a court Document explaining the motive from the so called mastermind himself KSM:
Purpose of the 9/11 Attacks

"Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples. Page 11

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/941.pdf
Quote from Pat:
But do they hate us for our freedoms? Yep.
I've already said I don't defend what these fruitcakes did or what they stand for, but let's stop allowing ourselves to be treated like 6 year olds, it's embarrassing. Grow up!