Wednesday, December 31, 7000

Permanent Top Post by JM Talboo and Steve W.

By JM Talboo and Steve W.

Many people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issuesconcerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rouge criminal elements of US and other international intelligence agencies were involved doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved. In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth Debunkers.

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers, and physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads, but the "debunkers" are wrong when many essentially argue that it's acceptable for 70% of 9/11 family members questions to have never been answered by the 9/11 Commission. So of course, most have no qualms about promises made to 9/11 family members being broken by the Commission to investigate all whistleblower claims, which a substantial amount of the public find highly-suspicious at minimum with many regarding the evidence as suggestive of complicity to varied degrees.

[The below link proves that many thousands of family members want a new investigation. Likely the amount of people killed that day is outnumbered by these 9/11 victim's family members.

So again, these fine patriots are just dandy with controlled demolition being ruled out by skipping key forensic tests. And it stands to reason, that these ilk feel the lack of air defense story is above scrutiny to the point that secrecy and rewards are warranted. So what if this tale consists of 3, or some contend 4, mutually contradictory versions of events and admitted lies. It makes perfect sense, that the top officials from NORAD and the FAA received promotions, as opposed to having to provide documents with data that would prove that the jet fight fighters were acceptably responsive, given the past response time averages.

Unsurprisingly, they hate even the best of the Loose Change films, but loose ends are no biggie.

The Washington Post reported on August 2, 2006 that:
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources... "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. 'It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
So, if 9/11 didn't have an inside element, what's to stop such a scenario from taking place in the future when we get investigations that have attributes like these? 

It is therefore the purpose of this website to rebut the hollow claims of the so-called 911 truth 'Debunkers' and clarify what is known about the attacks for the benefit of those following the debate and also for the largely uninformed public.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014

William Binney– former NSA Technical Director-- signs AE911Truth petition | 9/11 Truth Activism

Saturday, August 30, 2014

The JREF is getting rid of its own forum: the "debunkers" go down in flames

Roughly three weeks ago, I asked the question, "is JREF getting rid of the forum?"

And now I have the official answer from a JREF representative: Yes!
"Here's the official word: After considering all the comments and proposals from forum members, JREF has decided to transfer operation of the forums to TribeTech AB, a Swedish company founded by forum member icerat which specialises in hosting and developing internet communities. Icerat, together with the current forum admins (Darat, Locknar, Lash_L, and Lisa_Simpson) have developed a transition plan which JREF believes protects the privacy and interests of all forum members, as well as the ongoing existence of the forum community. All of the current admins are supportive of the transition plan and will continue their roles at the forum’s new home."
The forum has been a major embarrassment to the JREF for quite some time (a high-level JREF insider has admitted this in private to a well known truther), and the 9/11 sub-forum, in particular, has been a known eyesore since Dr. Frank Greening publicly lambasted and abandoned the forum in 2007. Dr. Greening co-authored a 2007 paper (updated in 2008) in support the official NISTian explanation for the collapses of the Twin Towers. He should have been a big fan of the JREF forum since it is known for its staunch defenders of the official 9/11 story, but Dr. Greening basically likened the JREFers to fanatical Bible-bashing Christians, stating that:
 "...the JREFers appear to be fixated only on smothering scientific debate under a blanket of NIST, FEMA, Kean, Fox and CNN “Truths”!...I have worked as a research scientist in industry and academia for MANY years but I do not recall ever witnessing such an endless appeal to authority, by one side in a debate, as I see with the JREFers! Indeed, I find the JREFers more often than not coming across as dogmatic followers of a creed. Thus, ironically they have become a modern band of Inquisitors doling out their autos-da-fe to heretic CTists for simply having the temerity to question NISTIAN authority."
This is probably the most scathing review that a forum of self-proclaimed "skeptics" can possibly get, but the JREFers found a way to humiliate themselves even more: They ended up replacing Dr. Greening with an actual Christian minister! Reverend Chris Mohr has led the 9/11 sub-forum in recent years, "literally speaking gibberish." These people may not "get it" why they are such an embarrassment, but apparently the JREF has finally had enough.

Dedicated JREF forum members have decided to attempt to continue the operation of the forum on their own, although a new name has not been chosen yet. Will they come up with something really sad like "the forum formerly known as the JREF forum"? The "ministry of truth" perhaps?

Meanwhile, although he has not yet signed the AE911Truth petition, Dr. Greening is now openly skeptical about the official 9/11 narrative in general, and he acknowledges that the official collapse report for WTC 7 is rubbish.

Thursday, August 28, 2014

Report on Mark Basile's Independent Lab Study of the WTC Dust

NATO comes to the UK to make war plans: Week of protests

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NATO comes to the UK to make war plans: Week of protests

The NATO summit is only a few days away. 60 world leaders, including Barack Obama, meet in the UK on 4-5 September to plan their war on the world. From 30 August protesters will flock to South Wales for international actions including a national demonstration on 30 August, counter summits, and a week-long peace camp.

We're already seeing how the summit is shaping up. Today's Guardian suggests David Cameron is planning to join Barack Obama in air strikes on Iraq and Syria.  They plan to use the summit to whip up support for new wars in the Middle East. They also want to reverse the defeat suffered by Cameron in parliament last year when it voted not to go to war with Syria.

In addition, the summit will be the occasion to further extend Nato's reach into eastern Europe, with the  proposals to build nato bases in the Baltic states. The only non-Nato country head of state at the summit is the Ukrainian president, a clear sign of Nato's central involvement there.

Meanwhile Cardiff and Newport are in lockdown to try to prevent  protestors opposing the Nato warmongering agenda. Thousands of people from Wales and across the country will be embarking on a week of protest across the two cities. Please support as many of these events as you can.

Timetable of Events, transport, peace camp
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  • There is a peace camp (bring your own tent!) from Friday 29 August for people who wish to stay in Newport for the week. Full details here:

National Demonstration in Newport

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On the first day of the NATO Summit on Thursday 4 September there demonstrations in Newport and Cardiff. More details here:

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