Wednesday, December 31, 7000

Permanent Top Post by JM Talboo and Steve W.

By JM Talboo and Steve W. people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rouge criminal elements of US and other international intelligence agencies were involved doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth Debunkers.


The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers, and physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads, but the "debunkers" are wrong when many essentially argue that it's acceptable for 70% of 9/11 family members questions to have never been answered by the 9/11 Commission. So of course, most have no qualms about promises made to 9/11 family members being broken by the Commission to investigate all whistleblower claims, which a substantial amount of the public find highly-suspicious at minimum with many regarding the evidence as suggestive of complicity to varied degrees.

[The below link proves that many thousands of family members want a new investigation. Likely the amount of people killed that day is outnumbered by these 9/11 victim's family members.

[On the left side (above) is a video of WTC 7 collapsing. On the right side is a video of a controlled demolition.]

And it stands to reason, that these ilk feel the lack of air defense story is above scrutiny to the point that secrecy and rewards are warranted. So what if this tale consists of 3, or some contend 4, mutually contradictory versions of events and admitted lies. It makes perfect sense that the top officials from NORAD and the FAA received promotions, as opposed to having to provide documents with data that would prove that the jet fight fighters were acceptably responsive, given the past response time averages.

Unsurprisingly, they hate even the best of the "Loose Change" films, but loose ends are no biggie.

The Washington Post reported on August 2, 2006 that:
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources... "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. 'It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
So, if 9/11 didn't have an inside element, what's to stop such a scenario from taking place in the future when we get investigations that have attributes like these? 

It is therefore the purpose of this website to rebut the hollow claims of the so-called 911 truth 'Debunkers' and clarify what is known about the attacks for the benefit of those following the debate and also for the largely uninformed public.

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Saturday, November 22, 2014

Proof of a JFK Assassination Plot Without Debating a Magic Bullet

The Jim Marrs interview at the bottom of this page is overflowing with evidence of a JFK conspiracy that doesn't require debating a magic bullet, which is almost all the mainstream ever wants to do on this topic.

These evidentiary points include a very compelling case that Oswald did not kill police officer J. D. Tippit, but rather was dropped off at the theater by him where 3 witnesses place Oswald at the time Tippit was killed. Killed by someone else besides Oswald (who was busy buying popcorn) as also indicated by the Tippet murder scene, which didn't indicate someone fleeing from shooting the President, but rather someone sticking around to make sure that officer Tippit was dead by shooting him in the head after already having killed him before he hit the ground with a shot to the heart.

Marrs also speaks about Photographic evidence indicating that two men who confessed to being involved in the plot to kill Kennedy that day in Dallas were indeed there in Dealey Plaza that fateful day. One of these individuals was a convicted hit man, as detailed on Wikipedia:

Charles Harrelson

Charles Voyde Harrelson (July 23, 1938 – March 15, 2007)[1] was an American organized crime figure who was convicted of assassinating federal judge John H. Wood, Jr., the first federal judge killed in the 20th century...

Allegations of involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy

In September 1980, Harrelson surrendered to police after a six-hour standoff in which he was reportedly "high on cocaine".[19][20] During the standoff, he threatened suicide and stated that he had killed Judge Wood and President John F. Kennedy.[19][21] In a television interview after his arrest, Harrelson said: "At the same time I said I had killed the judge, I said I had killed Kennedy, which might give you an idea to the state of my mind at the time." He said that the statements made during the standoff were "an effort to elongate my life."[22]
Joseph Chagra later testified during Harrelson's trial that Harrelson claimed to have shot Kennedy and drew maps to show where he was hiding during the assassination. Chagra said that he did not believe Harrelson's claim, and the AP reported that the FBI "apparently discounted any involvement by Harrelson in the Kennedy assassination."[23] According to Jim Marrs in 1989's Crossfire, Harrelson is believed to be the youngest and tallest of the "three tramps" by many assassination researchers.[20] Marrs stated that Harrelson was involved "with criminals connected to intelligence agencies and the military" and suggested that he was connected to Jack Ruby through Russell Douglas Matthews, a third party with links to organized crime who was known to both Harrelson and Ruby.[21]

The other individual Marr's cites in the interview as being identified in photos from Dealey plaza (claiming not to have been an active participant but having played a "bench warmer" role) is the infamous CIA agent and convicted Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, who spilled the beans of his involvement in the plot while on his death bed. Death bed confessions are given a unique legal status as being admissible in court as more than hearsay because, as one person aptly put it, "If you are aware that you are dying, you have nothing to lose (and, for many folks) much to be gained from telling the absolute truth." Yes, it was reported that "Hunt's widow and her two children, 27-year-old Austin and 23-year-old Hollis, dismiss the brothers' story, saying it is the result of coaching an old man whose lucidity waxed and waned in his final months." However, the audio tape in question was recorded three years prior. Another family member claimed they "pressured their father for dramatic scenarios." I'm saying a family being divided on whether their loved one was not only a crook but involved in a plot that killed the president is probably pretty normal. Furthermore, as Online Journal Associate Editor Larry Chin wrote:
Would Hunt continue to tell lies on his deathbed? Perhaps. Would Hunt tell a final tall story or two, to protect himself, or perhaps deal one final slap in the face to the US government (which made him a fall guy for Watergate)? Yes. Would Hunt hide the involvement of certain individuals to whom he remained loyal, including people who are still alive? Certainly. Anything from an operative like Hunt can only be accepted with caution and healthy skepticism.
Nevertheless, Hunt's scenario has the ring of truth.
Each of the named names are well-known CIA and CIA-linked players exposed by many researchers and historians who have detailed the enduring connection from the Bay of Pigs and the Dallas hit to Watergate and Iran-Contra.
The Hunt confession vindicates generations of historians, researchers and whistleblowers who have given their lives and careers to expose the truth about Dealey Plaza...
Meanwhile, the criminal deceptions of the US government and its corporate media, the Warren Commission, and the dirty work of cover-up specialists such as Gerald Posner and Mark Fuhrman, and the legions of JFK assassination revisionist/theorists, deserve a final rebuke, and eternal scorn.
Highlighting Hunt's role
Although the Rolling Stone piece does not address it, the Hunt confession directly corroborates two classic investigations that previously exposed the role of Hunt. They are Mark Lane's Plausible Denial and Michael Canfield/A.J. Weberman's Coup D'Etat in America. Lane's book details how he took Hunt to court, and won a libel suit, essentially proving that the CIA murdered JFK, and that Hunt lied about his whereabouts. The investigation of Canfield and Weberman identified Hunt and Frank Sturgis as two of the three "tramps" arrested at Dealey Plaza.
Time has only made these investigations more relevant. More than ever, their books, and those of the JFK historians and researchers above listed, deserve to be found, read and studied.
Marrs disputes Hunt being one of the tramps, but again references photo evidence that he was there.

Evidence that Oswald had many doubles is presented in the most compelling manner I've ever heard, this includes an unclassified June 3rd, 1960 memo where former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover writes to the State Department, "Since there is a possibility that an imposter is using Oswald's birth certificate, any current information the Department of State may have concerning subject will be appreciated." This is interesting for another reason as Marrs notes in the interview and has written, "What a bombshell. We were told that nobody within the government paid much attention to Oswald, and yet here is a document showing that no less than J. Edgar Hoover personally was aware of Lee Harvey Oswald three years before the assassination, and that he had reason to suspect that someone was posing as Oswald, indicating a possible intelligence connection." The intelligence connection of an Oswald double culminates with this scenario, as outlined by a poster on the AboveTopSecret forum:
It's my understanding (from The Men Who Killed Kennedy) that when the vault was unearthed and the coffin opened for DNA testing, the head was no longer attached to the body. Sometime after the original burial, persons unknown dug up the vault and substituted the head of Harvey, which was still attached to the body at burial, with the head of Lee Harvey Oswald. When the coffin was opened, the head of LHO was found loose (unattached) along with the headless body of Harvey. This is stated as fact by the funeral director and his son who placed Harvey's body in the coffin and buried his "sealed" vault in 1963.

No mention was made of this observation by any authority. Anyone surprised???.

Of course when DNA samples were taken from the unattached head in the coffin, the mastoid scar located, it proved that the loose head inside the coffin belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Therefore, the "real" Lee Harvey Oswald met his demise at some time after Harvey was murdered in the basement of the Dallas Police Department, November 24, 1963, and before the unearthment of the vault some 30 years later.

So when Harvey said he was "just a patsy", he was telling the truth.
Actual audio of the funeral director talking about the circumstances is played during the interview, as is that of a man from a military air transport who picked up a man in Dallas he swore was Oswald after Kennedy's shooting on the day of the assassination. Also spoke of is a witneses who swore he saw Oswald being arrested behind the theatre until Marrs showed him the official footage of Oswald being ushered out the front, promoting the witness to ask, "Then who did I see?"

Marrs is asked about Oswald's widow confirming that the backyard photos of Oswald were taken by her, but he contends that they are a hoax and that she admitted to taking some photos, but not those particular ones. I think the interviewer is speaking of Jesse Ventura saying that after speaking to her for 2 and a half hours he "did get this totally verified... she took the famous photograph of Oswald holding the gun and the communist paper. She looked me right and the eye, she said 'Yes, I took that photograph. It's not doctored. It's not anything." I said why, she said 'I don't know why. Lee wanted it done." Ventura continues, "I got the impression that Lee was under instruction to get those photos taken and I believe it was all part of creating the set up. You know to create these photos of him with the gun." Marrs should consider the idea that these photos are fake is disinformation intended to muddy the waters. The case made by Ventura is compelling and just as damning.

One site promoting the idea that the pictures are fakes notes that, "The chin of the 'Oswald' in the photos seems more broader and squarish than the Oswald who was arrested in Dallas and who had a narrow, cleft chin." Getting back to the Oswald doubles idea, the difference noted about his chin could literally be because it was a different Oswald! Marrs notes family members stating Oswald had a thinner neck and different skin tone after not seeing him for awhile. Granted, these were more formative years when changes would be easier to pass off, but from what Marrs describes there were at least two and maybe six Oswalds, two of which looked very similar.  Here are four examples:

Lee Harvey Oswald Lee Harvey Oswald

photographed by his brother, Robert Oswald, in Texas in
1958 and printed between pages 96-97 in Robert's book LEE, A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald.
when he appeared at the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City in Sept. 1963. The Cuban Government provided this photo to the HSCA.

Lee Harvey Oswald Lee Harvey Oswald

when he visited the Russian Embassy in Mexico City in Sept. 1963.  The CIA provided this photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" to the FBI on 11/23/63.  in Dallas Police custody two days after the assassination of JFK and officer Tippit. The accused assassin was shot dead by Jack Ruby, who formerly supplied guns to Cuba.

You have one hell of an argument without debating a magic bullet when you combine this material with the other facts Marrs speaks in the interview especially those concerning the doctoring up of the Zapruder film and autopsy records to cover-up the exit wound in the back of Kennedy's head thus covering up the kill shot from the front. The latter is the subject of this little book as detailed in the related link below the interview.

That author cannot be dismissed as just as just another JFK conspiracy theorist you may notice.

An interview with Jim Marrs performed by "Dark Journalist". The interview is somewhat edited and shortened.


Proving a JFK Conspiracy Without Debating the Magic Bullet

Petition:  Free the JFK Files

News to Share: Tod Fletcher Memorial will be Live-Stream/Archived by NoLiesRadio

Just posted to No Lies Radio today! Just posted this to the Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists Facebook Page with 4 photos and link to the No Lies Radio Live Stream/Archive for the Tod Fletcher & Susan Peabody Memorial Gathering at Fellowship Hall, Saturday, Nov 22, 2014 from 1-4 pm at 1924 Cedar St (and Bonita Ave has wheel-chair access ramp), Berkeley, CA 94709:

BFUU Social Justice Committee Facebook Event Notice
NO LIES RADIO will Live Stream "The Tod Fletcher & Susan Peabody Memorial Gathering" this Saturday, Nov 22nd from 1 – 4 Pacific Time in Historic Fellowship Hall in Berkeley, CA:
Friends and Family of the two dearly departed souls will reflect on their lives, and the work of Tod Fletcher in the 9/11 Truth movement will be celebrated and re-activated by those who carry that torch forward. Jeff Strahl and Fred Burks were close friends of Tod and will give some personal perspectives. Skype remarks are expected from intellectual friends and scholarly activist comrades such as David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth. Bonnie Faulkner and Barbara Honegger will be attending as featured speakers. (1 pm – 4 pm Pacific; 4 – 8 pm Eastern;21:00 GMT). The broadcast will be immediately archived here at No Lies Radio and No Lies Radio YouTube Channel after the broadcast. Sponsored by the Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists Social Justice Committee, Project Censored, PEERS (Public Education & Empowerment Resource Service), Sacramento 9/11 Truth, Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance, No Lies Radio, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Event program created by Friends & Family of Tod & Susan. BFUU Fellowship Hall, 1924 Cedar Street, Berkeley, CA 94709. (At Bonita Ave, one block east of MLK Way & three blocks west of Shattuck Ave) This location is wheelchair accessible via the ramp on the Bonita Avenue side of the building.

Jim Garrison Response to Media Smear Campaign - Kennedy Assassination

On July 15, 1967, NBC allowed New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison to respond to an NBC program that was highly critical of Garrison's pursuit of alleged Kennedy assassination conspirators in New Orleans.


Jim Garrison points out the fact that the public has been sold 'fairy tales' by 'honourable men' in Government and the media. His concluding comments provide a warning to the population where he says he discovered things about human nature, government and the media he cared not to have known.

Quote: "Anyone who has done their homework knows that the single assassin theory is totally impossible."

The killing of JFK was a turning point in history. We have lived with the consequences of his death and the consequences of criminals operating in positions of power for many decades. We must seek truth and justice when crimes like this occur or else be condemned to a future of war and inequity where the majority will always be subject to the whims of those that pull the strings of power.

Related Info:

Our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon - Jim Garrison

Friday, November 21, 2014

RECAP: Gordon Ross, Master of Engineering, Investigation into the Collapse of the WTC on 9/11

Master of Engineering, Gordon Ross presentation of his analysis of the destruction of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre on 11th September 2001. Recorded 8th June 2007 at the Indian YMCA in London.


This excellent clip describes the damage seen to the steel in the rubble with what you would expect with the explosive demolition of the structure. The evidence-based lecture also accounts for the features seen during the destruction of the twin towers. The information here makes good, practical sense of what was observed.

The clip here is partly posted in response to disinformation circulating on the internet. No space beams or mini nukes are necessary! The burnt cars (cited for alternative theories) are almost certainly damaged from molten iron seen flowing from the building (see video) prior to the main demolition charges going off. When the buildings blew up thousand degree fragments of iron would have been scattered in the pulverised concrete clouds.

REMEMBER: Lies generally believed by the population, are still lies no matter how many people believe in them. Always check the evidence. The 911 lie has led to an endless cycle of war. If you 'support the troops' stop and think about how the conflict started; with LIES. Later we were treated to further lies (that were not 'intelligence failures') about WMDs that led to more unnecessary war.

Related Info:

Architects and Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 -