Wednesday, December 31, 7000

Permanent Top Post by JM Talboo and Steve W.



By JM Talboo and Steve W.

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.htmlMany people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rogue elements of the US government and intelligence apparatus, as well as other international intelligence agencies, were involved, doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth debunkers.

 

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers ("debunkers" just assert they are all confused lying with no basis), and peer-reviewed studies of the physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States”
Former Sen. Bob Graham on 60-Minutes 



We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads, but the "debunkers" are wrong when many essentially argue that it's acceptable for 70% of 9/11 family members questions to have never been answered by the 9/11 Commission. So of course, most have no qualms about promises made to 9/11 family members being broken by the Commission to investigate all whistleblower claims, which a substantial amount of the public find highly-suspicious at minimum, with many regarding the evidence as suggestive of complicity to varied degrees.

The below link proves that many thousands of family members want a new investigation. Likely the amount of people killed that day is outnumbered by these 9/11 victim's family members.






Truth Teller's Radio Episode 16 - 9/11/2018 JM Talboo Interviews Richard Gage about the 3000+ Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

http://truthtellersradio.blogspot.com/2018/09/truth-tellers-radio-episode-16-9112018.html


Are there more problems with the UAF/Hulsey/AE911Truth WTC7 Draft Report or the NIST WTC 7 Report? You Decide...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/are-there-more-problems-with.html

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Tribute Page:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2014/03/firefighters-for-911-truth-tribute-page.html

 


         

Unsurprisingly, the duh-bunk-turds hate even the best of the "Loose Change" films, but loose ends are no biggie.

The Washington Post reported on August 2, 2006 that:
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources... "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. 'It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
So, if 9/11 didn't have an inside element, what's to stop such a scenario from taking place in the future when we get investigations that have attributes like these? 

It is therefore the purpose of this website to rebut the hollow claims of the so-called 911 truth "debunkers" and clarify what is known about the attacks for the benefit of those following the debate and also for the largely uninformed public. This site now features 9/11 truth related and not-so-related content. So please utilize our search feature (found also on the sidebar) to find a massive treasure trove of well-researched info on nearly every issue in the realm of 9/11 truth debate. 

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Monday, May 20, 2024

Bryson Gray is Right... Jesus Isn't God. He is OF GOD!


Bryson Gray is Right... Jesus Isn't God. He is OF GOD!

"I think it's pretty clear that Jesus and God are not the same person. I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?" - Unknown

The following was created in defense of the position of rapper, Bryson Gray, who stated to some less than happy Christian commentators that Jesus is OF GOD, as opposed to literally being God. That doesn't mean Bryson necessarily agrees with my defense of his opinion, but I agree with him nonetheless. 

The belief that Jesus is the Son of God but distinct from God the Father is a central tenet in many branches of Christianity. Here are some scriptural references that support this view:

1. **John 14:28 (NIV):** "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

2. **Matthew 3:17 (NIV):** "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"

3. **John 17:3 (NIV):** "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

4. **Matthew 27:46 (NIV):** "About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' (which means 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?')"

5. **John 20:17 (NIV):** "Jesus said, 'Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.""

There are plenty of scholars and theologians who support the belief that Jesus is the Son of God but not God himself, here are some notable figures:

1. **Bart D. Ehrman:** Ehrman is a prominent New Testament scholar who argues that early Christian beliefs about Jesus evolved over time and that Jesus himself did not claim to be God.

2. **Marcus Borg:** Borg, a theologian and historical Jesus scholar, emphasized the distinction between the historical Jesus and the divine Christ of faith, arguing that Jesus saw himself as the Son of God in a unique but not exclusive sense.

3. **John Dominic Crossan:** Crossan, a biblical scholar and co-founder of the Jesus Seminar, has written extensively about the historical Jesus and maintains that Jesus understood himself as the Son of God in a relational, rather than ontological, sense.

4. **John Shelby Spong:** Spong, a retired Episcopal bishop and theologian, challenges traditional Christian doctrines, including the divinity of Jesus. He argues that Jesus was a human being who embodied the divine rather than being God incarnate.

These scholars offer various interpretations of biblical texts and historical evidence to support their views on the relationship between Jesus and God.

The statement "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" attributed to Jesus on the cross, as recorded in Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, is one of the most profound moments in Christian theology. It reflects Jesus' humanity and his experience of suffering, as well as his identification with humanity's struggles and doubts.

From the perspective of those who interpret Jesus as the Son of God but distinct from God the Father, this cry reflects Jesus' profound sense of abandonment and the agony he endured during his crucifixion. It underscores his humanity and his willingness to undergo the full range of human experience, including feelings of isolation and despair.

This passage is often understood as part of Jesus' fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, particularly Psalm 22, which begins with similar words and expresses the psalmist's anguish but ultimately affirms trust in God's deliverance. Thus, some theologians interpret Jesus' cry on the cross as an expression of his solidarity with humanity in its suffering and as a pivotal moment in the redemptive narrative of Christianity.

Jesus' cry on the cross can be considered evidence supporting the position that Jesus is distinct from God the Father. This passage highlights Jesus' humanity and his experience of separation from God, which is not consistent with the concept of Jesus being fully God. It's often cited by theologians and scholars who advocate for the belief that Jesus is the Son of God but not God himself.

John 14:12 (NIV): "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

In considering Jesus' statement about believers doing 'greater things' in John 14:12, we can interpret it not only in a spiritual or religious context but also through a scientific lens. Just as Jesus performed miraculous acts during his earthly ministry, the advancements in science and technology achieved by humanity can be seen as modern-day 'miracles.' Take, for example, Jesus' miracles of restoring sight to the blind and allowing the deaf to hear. While these were once considered supernatural acts, the development of technologies like Neuralink, pioneered by Elon Musk, holds the potential to achieve similar outcomes through scientific means. Neuralink aims to create brain-computer interfaces that could restore hearing and vision to those who have lost these senses due to injury or illness.

These feats of human ingenuity and innovation demonstrate our potential to surpass previous boundaries and accomplish 'greater things' in the world. From the development of life-saving medical treatments to the creation of artificial intelligence like ChatGPT, these advancements in science and technology play a crucial role in shaping the future and improving the lives of people around the world. In this sense, Jesus' words resonate with the ongoing progress of human civilization, where science and technology offer hope for addressing some of humanity's most pressing challenges.

Also See:

Debunking Death: Christians are often criticized for saying Jesus is the only way to God... As Well They Should Be!
http://debunkingdeath.blogspot.com/2024/05/christians-are-often-criticized-for.html 


Jesus is not God - Bible Verses and Proofs | Stay Biblical
https://www.staybiblical.com/jesus-is-not-god/ 


Jesus is the Son of God; not God the Son - BiblicalUnitarian.com
https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/jesus-is-the-son-of-god-not-god-the-son