Debunking the Debunkers - the Blog !

Debunking the Debunkers - the Blog !

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/

This brilliant site destroys the fake science and claims made by the 911 debunking fraternity. I highly recommend that everyone visit this blog in order to get some basic scientific principles set in mind. It is level-headed analysis at its best.

Also, their selection of links to other 911 truth webpages and resources is invaluable.

For activists wishing to present a deconstruction of the key debunker falsehoods, thereby strengthening the case against the official web of lies, I suggest drawing upon the information found at Debunking the Debunkers. Encourage others to learn the truth and fight in the information war.

With continuous and unrelenting actions we will inevitably expose the 911 FALSE FLAG attack for what it was. We can then bring about a measure of justice for all the victims of 911 and END the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Peace.

SpookyOne

[Posted at the SpookyWeather blog, June 30th, 2012.]

911 Conspiracy Debunk This 08 (RL13)

Published on Oct 22, 2012 by ChangeDaChannel

Weekly reload for new subscribers or in case ya missed it. A show for debunkers to do their thing as well as for the choir to have a reference point. So many people find it hard to believe that we are being Poisoned, tested on, lied to, that plans are documented to control and contain us as well as kill us by the powers that be. That indeed conspiracies exist and that not everyone who speaks of this is a nut job or else you would have to call yourself a nut job. Whether its O.J., Michael Jackson or 911, everyone speaks of conspiracies. This show isn't about why they do what they do, it's about the fact that it has and is being done. This wont be a show covering hours worth of evidence. We will focus on an element or two to keep it simple and to the point.


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As the Washington Post reported in August 2006:

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources...

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us,' said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just sofar from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

It is often claimed that 9/11 skeptics are quote mining the 9/11 Commissioners, as to suggest that they agree with our case, but this is the real logical fallacy. Kean admitted they were lied to and he did not know why. He can think that the 9/11 Commission's story of astounding incompetance is correct all he wants, but the fact remains that his report failed to tie up “those loose ends" and prove that ineptitude is all that was at hand.

As David Ray Griffin has stated:

...Although this explanation has been widely accepted, is it really believable? If our military had been guilty only of confusion and incompetence on 9/11, it would have been strange for its officials, by saying that they had been notified by the FAA earlier than they really had, to open themselves not only to the charge of criminal fraud but also to the suspicion that they had deliberately not intercepted the hijacked airliners. We are being asked to believe, in other words, that Scott, Arnold, and the others, in telling the earlier story, acted in a completely irrational manner--that, while being guilty only of confusion and a little incompetence, they told a lie that could have exposed them with being charged with murder and treason.

Equally counter intuitive is the fact that the top officials in charge of NORAD and the FAA on 9/11 were rewarded for their supposed incompetence with promotions instead of charges of perjury.

When viewed in conjunction with the preponderance of evidence supporting a deliberate NORAD stand-down, his statement does support this contention, no matter if cognitive dissonance blinds him to this fact, or whatever the case may be.

References in video:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm

Salem-News.com: The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

The Washington Post: 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon - Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

CNN.com: 9/11 panel distrusted Pentagon testimony

Boston.com: 9/11 panel to get access to withheld data

PBS.org: Transcript: Frank Sesno talks with Max Cleland

Related Info:

Debunking 911myths.com: 9/11 ~ Dancing Israelis and White Vans

Debunk This! Series

Debunk This! 202 (ChemTrails)

Debunk This! 201 (NWO)

Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories

The False Thinking and Assumptions of 'Informed' 911 Truth Doubters: A Message to the Honest Critics that have Been Fooled by the Propagandists.

Many aggressive non-truthers - the honest doubters of the 'conspiracy theorist position', as opposed to the leading 'professional' Debunkers - have serious issues to consider when it comes to fully understanding and confronting their own 911 beliefs.

They have three main problems to reflect upon which arise from the propaganda put out by the 911 truth 'Debunkers':

1. The doubters have been taught, via Debunking websites, to cynically equate straw man arguments and fringe ideas with valid criticism of the official story and thereby tend to miss the real arguments under examination.

Positions like the 'no-planes' theories, something that serious researchers have long rejected, are seen as part and parcel of the 911 truth claims. Truthers are commonly seen as naive or uncritical thinkers and are intellectually looked down upon because of these wrongly held assumptions.

In the minds of the 911 truth doubters they see the overall truther case, that goes against the official narrative, as being almost entirely irrational when, in fact, the conspiracy argument is based upon proven observation, science and (when pointing out the flaws of the Government's position) official documentation.

2. Furthermore, beyond falling for the straw man arguments that don't address real issues, the doubters are also fooled by the outright false official explanations, plus the plethora of false arguments put up by the 911 truth 'Debunking' (disinformation) fraternity, that do 'address' the real issues.

In this instance the key 911 truth 'Debunker' rebuttals rely upon many unsubstantiated explanations and false analogies. They pretend to adequately cover the highly relevant issues at hand, like freefall collapse rates and molten steel, but don't. Unfortunately the honest 911 truth doubters fall for these deceptions rather than thinking twice about what is being put to them - even after it is has been pointed out by the 911 truthers.

For instance, we find debunker 'explanations' have been made against the mountain of material that documents the melting of steel at the World Trade Centre ruins -something that could only occur if high temperature incendiaries were used. The melted steel, strong evidence of an inside job, is 'dismissed' via a number of completely inadequate explanations - that there was no melted steel, only red hot steel; that other metals had melted and that it was not steel; that the rubble pile fires could have done the job anyway, that what was witnessed was melted aluminium or lead etc.

These explanations are trotted out to trick those who are both unfamiliar with fire and materials science and unfamiliar with what was actually observed and recorded. Indeed none of the 'truth debunking' answers, no matter how elaborately padded, actually accounts for the data we find in the FEMA report, from the USGS, in the RJ Lee Report, from numerous eyewitnesses, the photographs, or the independent research by scientists not part of the US Government. From the accumulated evidence we know that steel was definitely melted like 'Swiss cheese', that pools of molten metal were seen, that hot dripping structural steel was observed, and that iron rich spheres of metal (previously molten) were found all throughout the dust, and that this evidence cannot be reconciled with welding or post disaster clean up activity.

The question to those who believe the debunking explanations is very simple - do the debunker claims and analogies actually account for what was observed? If not, then these represent NO explanation for what was seen. Those familiar with the science, and are able to do further research, will find that the debunker explanations are bogus.

3. The last key point to make in addressing the views of those who aggressively reject 911 truth claims is the fact that many of them are acting, or rather parroting the view, that asking questions, in the face of official assurances, is a bad thing. Truth should never fear inspection and interrogation! We should  be asking questions and we should be debating the issues - using logic and science.
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So, when  the question arises over which side is fielding propaganda, especially if the material deals with 'difficult' issues, we can actually discern who has the better argument (ie telling the truth) via methods of reasoning and properly applied scientific knowledge juxtaposed with the recorded observations.

No claim, regardless of whose side it comes from should be taken at face value. In this information war data must be interrogated. And be mindful. The Debunkers/Disinformation fraternity will falsely claim that this is exactly what they have been doing and not what truthers are doing. Such wholesale accusations are just rhetoric. If one CHECKS the evidence and arguments, the truth behind such claims becomes apparent. Check the evidence - it's not that difficult.

Therefore, if the 911 truth doubters are honest with themselves (as opposed to the likely disingenuous government-connected 'Debunkers') they will reassess what they think they know and engage in further research. It's time to understand that 911 was indeed an inside job - and that being an unwitting part of the 911 lie only helps to maintain the never ending War on Terror.

As long as there is the threat of false flags we will never find peace. The enemy is within our own ranks and we must recognise this sad fact. Responsible individuals MUST inform the public - to explain that we are all  subjects of a heinous staged terror event, and that justice needs to be served so that peace can be attained.

Spookyone

911 Truth in 5 minutes: The Key Evidence vs Mainstream Conspiracy Denialism & Propaganda

The Hard Science:
There IS overwhelming physical evidence that reveals explosives were used to bring down the 3 WTC buildings on 911. There is nothing theoretical about the claim - forensic proof has sealed the case.

Simply put, it is IMPOSSIBLE to find Molten Steel, Thermite traces, plus actual fragments of High Tech Explosives in the rubble pile, and to have the freefall collapse of steel framed buildings, WITHOUT using incendiaries or explosives of the sort commonly employed by the military and demolition companies.

Either basic scientific principles (ones that have NEVER been disproved) are drastically in error or we are looking at the physical evidence of the controlled demolition of the WTC buildings. Ergo, 911 was an inside job.

The Propaganda:
For almost 9 years there has been a concerted effort by official investigators and the mainstream media to keep people ignorant of this information. However, thanks to the work of independent investigators and the availability of information via the Internet, these efforts have largely failed. The scientific proof of the inside job is irrevocably in the public domain.

However, there still remains a high level of ignorance concerning this key scientific evidence - due primarily to a self induced, culturally influenced aversion to even consider the 911 truth question.

In today's society people have been conditioned to reject all things labeled "conspiracy" as if such claims were wholly unsubstantiated. Association with mental illness and irrationality have hamstrung our ability to even look at the data. This is especially true when it comes to issues that can be labelled as being part of a "big government conspiracy". Most people when it comes to these topics end up being too indignant, ignorant, embarrassed or afraid to even discuss them. Alas, no matter how good the information, even the most intelligent among us who decide not to weigh up the evidence, will always fail to see through the official deceptions.

Moreover, because conspiracy claims are the subject of such strong ridicule, many people who do actually chance to look into the details often find them psychologically too difficult to accept - regardless of how damning the information may be.

Further adding to the disconnect here is the general population's inexperience at recognising the significance of hard scientific evidence. Few people, upon seeing video of the freefall collapse of WTC7, or seeing data that confirms structural steel had melted in all three buildings, would understand the strength of this hard science - even if explained to them.

On top of all these hindrances we also have to deal with the disinformation put out by various "independent" 911 truth debunking "experts" who help fuel society's irrational anti-conspiracy bias (conspiracy-denialism). Appearing online and in various 911 "documentaries" these individuals push distortions, provide pseudo-scientific trick explanations, heap ridicule and tell outright lies about the facts in question. Their agenda is to act as credible authority figures, using their academic or professional backgrounds to discredit the hard evidence and build a "consensus" opinion backing the official lies. The mission, transparent to the well informed, is to basically hoodwink open minded members of the public. Many of these debunkers, who are too intelligent not to understand the science proving the inside job, appear to be on the Government payroll. Indeed most are probably involved in a modern day version of Operation Mockingbird.

Nevertheless, despite the pervasive lies presented in the official 911 reports, the censorship by the corporate media, the disinformation efforts of the supposedly independent debunkers, and our own inabilities to come to terms with challenging information, the physical evidence of the inside job still stands. The World Trade Centre forensic evidence proves the official account is a lie and ends the 911 conspiracy debate. [Presently there are 6 peer reviewed scientific papers supporting the inside job hypothesis that remain unchallenged in the scientific literature.]

Whatever the truth is concerning the involvement of Osama Bin Laden, he certainly could not have rigged the Twin Towers or WTC7 with explosives.

The War on Terror is a hoax designed to foment conflict between the West and militant Islamic groups for the purpose of US strategic domination of the Middle East. Only the truth about 911 will end these Wars.

The first step is identifying the propaganda to be overcome whilst simultaneously recognising the hard scientific evidence of the inside job. Once EVERYONE understands the truth then the game will be over.

By Spookypunkos

911 was an Inside Job: CONSPIRACY PROVEN FACT, NOT THEORY

There is damning physical evidence, from the destruction of the World Trade Centre Towers, that proves 911 MUST have involved inside help. There is nothing theoretical about the material proof here.

Thanks to the work of numerous independent scientists, we have confirmed, unimpeachable evidence, showing that the buildings could ONLY have been brought down using explosive demolition.

Simply put, it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to find tons of melted steel, chemical traces of thermitic materials, the actual remains of high tech military explosives, and to see the freefall collapse of a steel framed building, WITHOUT employing incendiary or explosive devices.

It does not matter what problems we face with other details of the attacks, we KNOW, from the key forensic evidence, that the WTC buildings were brought down using explosives.

The forensic material here represents hard SMOKING GUN evidence. It is actual PROOF that 911 was an inside job.

The next step is to launch an aggressive criminal investigation into the attacks- starting with those individuals who lied at the 911 Commission Hearings and with those responsible for the fraudulent NIST Reports into the WTC building collapses.

CIT DISINFO/Smoke and Mirrors!

Recently 911Debunkers blog did a very thorough debunking job regarding no plane theories.In this Debunking of no plane theories JM and Scootle included the Citizens Investigation Team more commonly known as CIT. JM and Scootle took this "No Plane" nonsense on in a very in depth manner.
In my opinion they did an excellent job.
I thought they did such an excellent job, that it did not need my input at all.
I did not watch the CIT movie at the time,
I did not want to waste my precious time.
But I did read the numerous articles That JM and Scootle wrote regarding this subject.
I became concerned when Richard Gage and others who have supported us in our long quest for 9/11 Truth, jumped on board the CIT dis-info, smoke and mirrors, no plane hit the Pentagon, theory train.
So I watched the CIT Movie.
(OMG!)
I can't believe I watched this! (it took forever to load)
In the first part of the movie CIT swears that they are going to prove that the 9/11 Pentagon attack was a Black-Ops., False Flag operation.
My first thought was "Ya Think???"
This is not news or at the very least it is not news to me.
I and others have been saying 9/11 was a False Flag operation for years.
I am glad that more people are now agreeing with the concept.
However I have a real problem with people who are claiming that yes 9/11 was a False Flag Operation while subtly promoting no plane theories.
The CIT People subtly allude by images and dialog that no plane hit the Pentagon.
They do this right in the beginning of the movie.
They are showing the support columns of the Pentagon explosion impact site.
The columns allegedly (according to the movie) do not show impact damage consistent with the official story claims of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
(pay no attention to the fact that the impact damage zone outline they keep showing on the Pentagon in red, looks exactly like the outline of a plane)
They go along in a few more frames and subtly place images that they claim show how the government's story and flight path is a lie.
These images are designed to place a doubt in the minds of the viewer.
The images and graphs they show of the Pentagon plane crash site are linked with dialog that subtly insinuates that it is impossible for a plane to have done this.
(again ignore that red outline that exactly matches the wing span of a plane on their graphs )
Then they spend most of the movie interviewing people who "remember clearly" that they saw THE PLANE coming in on the North side instead of the South side as the "official story" claims.

I have to say this.
ALL Of THOSE EYE WITNESSES THAT THE CIT REPORTERS INTERVIEWED claim they SAW A PLANE FLYING ULTRA LOW and SCREAMING (was the word their eyewitnesses used) IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PENTAGON!
Now the CIT people would like you to believe that the plane could not have done the aeronautical maneuvers required to come in on the South side and hit the Pentagon.
The CIT people laid claim from their movie that Pilots for 9/11 Truth said this type of South Side maneuver was impossible for this type of plane.
OK- I'm no Pilot and everything I know about flying a plane could be placed in one sentence.
But my mind just kept screaming SO WHAT!
North Side, South side I do not care what side the plane came in on, the eyewitnesses all showed the same impact site on the maps!
The (CIT reporters) gave the eyewitnesses maps and a pen to draw the flight path of THE PLANE on.
ALL THE CIT's EYEWITNESSES who drew a line on the map of the PLANES FLIGHT PATH DREW A LINE TO THE "OFFICIAL STORY" IMPACT SITE AT THE PENTAGON!

Now how about those light poles they kept yammering about in the movie?
I am going to play Devils advocate for a minute.
Lets just say that the plane flew in on the North Side and the light poles falling down were not caused by the direct impact of the planes wings (or any plane contact) but were caused by the wind-sheer force of the planes, 500 plus MPH speed and jet engine out put force as it blew by..
This is not inconsistent, nor does it invaladate the fact that a PLANE hit the Pentagon.
Note that Plane is the operative word in those sentences.
Believing that a plane came in on the South Side (as many eyewitnesses and the official story said it did) does not invalidate the supposition that the 9/11 Pentagon Attack was a Black-OPs.False Flag Operation.
But just in case the official story of the flight path is wrong, and the eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon are wrong, and the plane flew in on the North side after all and something else hit the Pentagon I have to say this......
ALL EVIDENCE INCLUDING CIT's OWN EYEWITNESSES, IN THEIR OWN MOVIE, CLAIM THE PLANE THEY SAW HIT THE PENTAGON!
At no time in any eyewitness testimony did any person say,
"I saw the plane fly over/hop over/pull-up/ and/or miss the Pentagon."
I found myself asking these questions of the CIT's movie.
If indeed the plane flew over the Pentagon with-out impact as they allude to...
then where is flight 77?
Where did the passengers go?
Where did the Black box come from?
If our military shot the plane out of the sky with a missile after it supposidly hopped/ flew over the Pentagon --- how is it there is no impact site or debris field somewhere else?
What about the families of the passengers who died on the plane?
Were they all just illusions and they all lied to cover up the governments Black-Ops moment?
As they say in my part of the world...
Honey PULLLEASE!
Don't even get me started regarding the statement in the movie about our, government "quietly releasing proof", documents to the CIT people.
I can sum up the CIT dis-info no plane theory in one word.
BullShit.

Related Info...

A Clarification on Disinfo

9/11-a Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Pentagon Attack Photos