Lastly, I'd just like to say I'm glad to be a contributor and if anyone has any questions and/or comments, feel free to message me either here or on youtube.
Sunday, October 3, 2010
Hello Everyone
Posted by
Fakeham
Hey everybody, my name is Fakeham and I'm just posting this as an introductory post to let everyone know that I am a new contributor to this blog. There's not much to tell about myself because everything important will be in my biography. I have a youtube channel and occasionally do videos on 9/11 related stuff among other things, you can check it out here:
Here are 2 of my best videos on 9/11, I have a few others but they will most likely be redone so as to be updated with new info and evidence and to be edited better.
Lastly, I'd just like to say I'm glad to be a contributor and if anyone has any questions and/or comments, feel free to message me either here or on youtube.
Lastly, I'd just like to say I'm glad to be a contributor and if anyone has any questions and/or comments, feel free to message me either here or on youtube.
Well, I started out on youtube by making random videos and was part of the atheist community until I realized that they were just as dogmatic as the creationists they argued with. I got trolled whenever I made a comment having anything to do with conspiracy theories. I found out about the Zeitgeist Movement and have followed them ever since. I have my own group on facebook (well, I'm one of several admins)called the Neo-Renaissance Movement, we want to create a community of free-thinkers and will do comparative research on a wide range of topics. Here is a link for anyone interested: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153691354653051&ref=ts
Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Iraq Inquiry: your opportunity to demand a new 9/11 investigation
Posted by
JM Talboo
28 September 2010
From Reinvestigate 911
YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DEMAND A NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION
Reinvestigate 911 is asking 9/11 truth activists worldwide to write to the Iraq Inquiry in London in support of our submission. Please forward this email to any politicians or journalists who may be interested.
Our letter is copied in full below. Since Tony Blair confirmed in his testimony that 9/11 "changed the calculus of risk" when it came to invading Iraq, the Iraq Inquiry must now consider whether we have been told the whole truth about the 9/11 attacks.
Please go to this page and fill in the response box.
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/contact/submission-form.aspx
Please say you are supporting the letter from Reinvestigate911 (below) and then add your own comments, polite and factual of course, mentioning any experience or expert knowledge you may have to support your views.
Better still write a letter to
Sir John Chilcot, Iraq Inquiry, 35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG.
If you are a UK qualified lawyer please get in touch if you can offer any time pro bono to pursue either our letter to Chilcot (eg is there a judicial review option if Chilcot refuses our requests?), or matters related to the forthcoming 7/7 inquest.
KEY POINTS
If you write from outside the UK, please explain that there has never been a full independent inquiry into the 9/11 events in the US. The 9/11 Conmmission, run by White House insider Phillip Zelikow, has been criticised by its own members and the trial of alleged 9/11 ringleader Khaled Sheikh Mohammed seems to be postponed indefinitely.
The Inquiry's remit starts in summer 2001 when, according to the 9/11 Commission, many warnings of the impending 9/11 attacks were being disregarded in Washington.
Iraq Inquiry has written to campaigners as follows:
"The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, EXCEPT INSOFAR AS IT IMPACTS ON THE UK'S INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website." (our emphasis)
Commentators agree that 9/11 made the invasion of Iraq politically possible and Tony Blair specifically told the Inquiry that the 9/11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" in respect to Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction. Hence they must look at 9/11 as a major element in the decision to invade Iraq, the matter which is at the heart of their terms of reference.
OUR LETTER TO THE INQUIRY
From: Ian Henshall and others
Hove BN3 7NQ
To Sir John Chilcot,
The Iraq Inquiry,
35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG
Your ref Alastair Seaton, IE0054
27 September 2010
Dear Sir John Chilcot,
Thank you for your recent letter in which you state:
"Thank you for your further letter of 27 July, in which you urge the Committee to challenge the conclusion that the 911 bombings were perpetrated by Al Qaeda. The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, except insofar as it impacts on the UK's involvement in Iraq. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website."
We welcome your agreement that the attribution of responsibility for 9/11 is relevant insofar as it impacts the UK's involvement in Iraq. Blair made clear that 9/11 was indeed a major factor in the invasion of Iraq while the official paper trail shows that the attribution of responsibility, which includes the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks, is murkier than first appeared.
It is noteworthy that your terms of reference start in summer 2001 when, we now know, warnings of the 9/11 attacks were flooding into Washington.
1. BLAIR'S EVIDENCE AND THE QUESTIONS IT RAISES
In case there can be any doubt as to the central role of the 9/11 attacks in the decision to invade Iraq, please recall that Blair made his "shoulder to shoulder" speech in the weeks after 9/11 and as we now know decided effectively to subordinate UK foreign policy to the Bush White House at that time. As he explained to you very clearly and repeatedly in his testimony, 9/11 was a major factor in the decision to invade Iraq because it changed the "calculus of risk". This confirms what commentators across the political spectrum have been saying: that the invasion of Iraq was made politically possible by 9/11.
Assuming Al Qaeda carried out the attacks independently of any other organisation, an extremely important question remains: how were the attacks able to succeed and hence to change the "calculus of risk"?
2. DANGER OF PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION IF WASHINGTON'S EXPLANATION NOT EXAMINED
We accept it is not up to your Inquiry to determine what happened on 9/11, but we contend the public will not be satisfied unless you examine whether the explanation of the causes, offered to London by Washington, of this massive US defence failure was reliable. Given the anger that now exists in many quarters over the weapons of mass destruction allegations and the "dodgy dossiers" in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, we submit that the public will expect you to look into this with great concern and investigate whether the official 9/11 story is wrong, self-exculpatory, misleading, or simply not adequately substantiated. If Washington's explanation is unreliable we contend your report should state that further investigation is needed.
3. MISLEADING MEDIA REPORTS AND OFFICIAL STATEMENTS
A review of the media reports at the time confirms that the initial 9/11 account was indeed seriously wrong and that this is the version on which Tony Blair seems to have based his decision making. Politicians and commentators said that Al Qaeda succeeded in this unprecedented, audacious and well-planned attack because they had immense resources and, in the words of Condoleeza Rice, that in the US government "nobody could imagine" that such an attack might occur. Blair made similar comments.
However we now know that the main features of the 9/11 attacks had all been built into various Pentagon war games in the months before 9/11, that Rice had ignored multiple warnings from top officials and foreign governments, and that the failure of the CIA to co-operate with FBI investigations into the presumed 9/11 hijackers was a major factor in the success of the attacks. The 9/11 Commission chair said at one point that the attacks "could and should" have been prevented. There is much further evidence to support this view. It may be noteworthy too that the CIA's Inspector General later gave George Tenet, CIA director at the time, a severe reprimand over 9/11 on grounds that remain secret.
4. INADEQUACY OF INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO LONDON
If you agree with the consensus view now, that failings of the US authorities, glossed over at the time, were a significant factor in the success of the 9/11 attacks, and if London was trusting information supplied by Washington rather than carrying out their own checks, this has a major bearing on the UK decision to invade Iraq.
It would mean that the alternative policy to war was not properly evaluated. This would have been to avoid launching the invasions, deal with terrorism in the ways that had always been followed up to then, and deal with the causes of the intelligence failings at home.
5. WAS 9/11 ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATED PRIOR TO WAR?
We are not asking you to mount an entirely new investigation into the 9/11 attacks, but we hope you will agree that judgement by media acclamation and White House press release is not a sufficient basis to launch two wars. Therefore we submit that you should note in your final report that the 9/11 attacks have never been fully investigated by a well resourced and independent body prepared to consider a range of ideas on what the full story might be. Many people in the US, including many of the bereaved and members of the 9/11 Commission itself, emphasise the lack of a thorough investigation. The 9/11 Commission was starved of funds, given a very tight timescale and was refused access to key evidence. See note below for some more failings of the 9/11 Commission. The promised trial of alleged ringleader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the only person ever indicted for a central role in the 9/11 attacks, seems to have been postponed indefinitely.
6. NEED FOR A NEW INVESTIGATION
A new 9/11 investigation, and particularly a sharing of the mountain of still secret evidence with the public, is all the more important in the light of the many details which still have not been satisfactorily explained. For instance there is so far no official explanation for the recent discovery by associate Professor Niels Harrit of uncombusted high energy artificial nanothermite particles in the dust at Ground Zero, which indicate the possibility that the collapse of the buildings was some sort of a controlled demolition which could explain the rapid and symmetrical downward collapse of the three (sic) multistorey WTC buildings. Official sources insist the collapses all happened spontaneously in a way unforeseen by any expert before the event, but independent experts have not been given access to the evidence or the computer models which government scientists rely on. Hundreds of architects, engineers and demolition experts have spoken out publicly calling for a new investigation.
Another reason for a further investigation is that the 9/11 Commission discovered the CIA had a top secret 80 strong Osama Bin Laden unit working on projects in the months before 9/11. This contrasts with the explanation proffered by many politicians and commentators that Washington had lost interest in Afghanistan. The CIA reportedly refused to talk to the 9/11 Commission about vast areas of what the OBL unit was up to.
Similarly no details have been given of the Pentagon's anti-hijack exercise running, apparently by sheer coincidence, at the exact time of the 9/11 attacks and which we now know interfered with the response from air traffic control and the Pentagon. Even the flight manifests for the hijacked planes are still secret.
7. QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED
As well as the more general recommendations mentioned above concerning the preventabilty of the 9/11 attacks and the failure to investigate the whole affair in any depth, we submit that you should ask some specific questions to Tony Blair. Before he gave his almost unconditional support to the Bush White House, did he task MI6 or any other UK agency to make an independent assessment of the 9/11 attacks, of who was behind them, and of how they came to be carried out so successfully? Did anyone mention to him that the Oklahoma bomb was at first wrongly blamed by Washington on Islamic extremists? Did he and his advisors discuss the possibility the attacks were successful as a result of failings in the US? Did they inquire if 9/11 resulted, as now seems possible, from a CIA sting operation gone wrong?
8. WHAT WE CAN OFFER
Finally we submit that you should take adequate evidence from us and make appropriate recommendations in your report, not only because the decision to invade Iraq is at the heart of your inquiry but also out of respect for the rights of the bereaved and other victims of many nationalities in both the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Please take public testimony from Paul Warburton on the general legal issues, Niels Harrit on the nanothermite at the World Trade Centre, and Ian Henshall for an overview on how the official 9/11 story has changed and whether it is reliable. Other experts could probably be made available including retired FBI and CIA officers.
Ian Henshall (co-ordinator Reinvestigate 911, author 911 The New Evidence)
Paul Warburton (barrister)
Niels Harrit (associate professor of Chemistry University of Copenhagen, nanotechnology specialist)
Noel Glynn (Convenor Quakers for Truth on Terrorism)
NOTE
The only official attempts to investigate 9/11 were the FBI probe that was ended prematurely and run by Bush appointee Michael Chertoff (later Homeland security chief in charge of the Hurricane Katrina disaster), and the 9/11 Commission. The latter was severely underfunded, short of time, and stuffed with Washington insiders. It never considered any scenario other than the official story. Its executive Director Phillip Zelikow was caught reporting regularly in secret to the White House, while Senator Max Cleland resigned angrily denouncing the process as a whitewash. Later the chief investigator John Farmer wrote that there was an agreement in the White House or the Pentagon to lie to investigators. The Commission failed to clarify the role of the CIA's top secret Osama Bin Laden unit and its refusal to pass on important information to the FBI prior to the attacks. It failed to investigate the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings one of which was not struck by a plane and which we now know fell at free fall speed. For the chaos and manipulation of the 911 Commission by Zelikow and the Bush White House, see the book The Commission by Phil Shenon the New York Times specialist on the subject.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"9/11 THE NEW EVIDENCE"
pub Sept 2007 Constable (UK) ISBN 978-1-84529-514-1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/11-New-Evidence-Ian-Henshall/dp/1845295145/
"9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence"
pub Oct 2007 Carroll & Graf (US) ISBN-10: 0786720417
http://www.amazon.com/9-11-Revealed-New-Evidence/dp/0786720417/
Ian Henshall is also proprietor of Coffee Plant ( www.coffee.uk.com)
and chair of INK, trade organisation for UK alternative print media (www.ink.uk.com)
Ian Henshall's email is crisisnewsletter@pro-net.co.uk
My Letter:
Hello,
I am writing to voice my support for the letter from Reinvestigate911 below. Let there be no doubt that these two issues are inescapably intertwined. President Bush's March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq, includes the following paragraph.
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
John-Michael P. Talboo
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com
Letter from Debunking the Debunkers blog contributor Steve Weathers:
There are frightening consequences for failing to act upon the evidence showing that the attacks of September 11 involved an element of US Government complicity:
Dear Reader, this submission to the Inquiry is in support of the letter from Reinvestigate911. (This document should already be on file with your investigation.)
As you are probably well aware, there is a direct connection to the illegal invasion of Iraq and the attacks of 911.
Put simply: the threat of future 911 style terror attacks provided a "justification" for the preemptive War.
However, such a justification is totally undermined by damning material evidence that has come to light indicating the 911 attacks involved a huge degree of "inside help".
I will not go over the evidence here suffice to say that other submissions to your inquiry will have covered the forensic evidence that proves the official story is a lie. (Visit: http://www.ae911truth.org and for counter disinformation material http://911debunkers.blogspot.com)
My task here is to alert the Inquiry to the serious implications of ignoring this evidence.
It should be noted that:
1. Failure to recognise the staged nature of 911 helps to prolong the false paradigm, held in the minds of policy makers and the general public, that the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), can be somewhat justified as reaction to a heinous crime committed by Muslim extremists.
2. that; failure to recognise the hard evidence here places the population of many Western countries under threat of draconian anti-terror legislation, physical harm and continued psychological damage. Most troubling of all is the fact we are susceptible to further false flag incidents that may involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. My fear is that new terror attacks being planned by elements from within "our own side" will involve biological, chemical or nuclear devices.
3. that; failure to address the false flag nature of 911 leaves the door open for those war obsessed elements of US and European governments to attack countries like Iran that do not pose a threat and have not broken any International Laws.
Dear Reader, it does not matter how many real terrorists are caught or captured if elements of our own Governments and intelligence services have a hand in committing terrorist atrocities.
Please take action on the evidence that proves US complicity in 911 so we can see an end to the War in Iraq and an end to the wider War on Terror.
Thanks for you attention
Steven Weathers
Related Info:
Thank You Mr Curley: "Debunker" PROMOTES the "Building What?" Campaign & Pushes Discredited Material (again) to Discredit Himself.
From Reinvestigate 911
YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DEMAND A NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION
Reinvestigate 911 is asking 9/11 truth activists worldwide to write to the Iraq Inquiry in London in support of our submission. Please forward this email to any politicians or journalists who may be interested.
Our letter is copied in full below. Since Tony Blair confirmed in his testimony that 9/11 "changed the calculus of risk" when it came to invading Iraq, the Iraq Inquiry must now consider whether we have been told the whole truth about the 9/11 attacks.
Please go to this page and fill in the response box.
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/contact/submission-form.aspx
Please say you are supporting the letter from Reinvestigate911 (below) and then add your own comments, polite and factual of course, mentioning any experience or expert knowledge you may have to support your views.
Better still write a letter to
Sir John Chilcot, Iraq Inquiry, 35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG.
If you are a UK qualified lawyer please get in touch if you can offer any time pro bono to pursue either our letter to Chilcot (eg is there a judicial review option if Chilcot refuses our requests?), or matters related to the forthcoming 7/7 inquest.
KEY POINTS
If you write from outside the UK, please explain that there has never been a full independent inquiry into the 9/11 events in the US. The 9/11 Conmmission, run by White House insider Phillip Zelikow, has been criticised by its own members and the trial of alleged 9/11 ringleader Khaled Sheikh Mohammed seems to be postponed indefinitely.
The Inquiry's remit starts in summer 2001 when, according to the 9/11 Commission, many warnings of the impending 9/11 attacks were being disregarded in Washington.
Iraq Inquiry has written to campaigners as follows:
"The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, EXCEPT INSOFAR AS IT IMPACTS ON THE UK'S INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website." (our emphasis)
Commentators agree that 9/11 made the invasion of Iraq politically possible and Tony Blair specifically told the Inquiry that the 9/11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" in respect to Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction. Hence they must look at 9/11 as a major element in the decision to invade Iraq, the matter which is at the heart of their terms of reference.
OUR LETTER TO THE INQUIRY
From: Ian Henshall and others
Hove BN3 7NQ
To Sir John Chilcot,
The Iraq Inquiry,
35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG
Your ref Alastair Seaton, IE0054
27 September 2010
Dear Sir John Chilcot,
Thank you for your recent letter in which you state:
"Thank you for your further letter of 27 July, in which you urge the Committee to challenge the conclusion that the 911 bombings were perpetrated by Al Qaeda. The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, except insofar as it impacts on the UK's involvement in Iraq. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website."
We welcome your agreement that the attribution of responsibility for 9/11 is relevant insofar as it impacts the UK's involvement in Iraq. Blair made clear that 9/11 was indeed a major factor in the invasion of Iraq while the official paper trail shows that the attribution of responsibility, which includes the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks, is murkier than first appeared.
It is noteworthy that your terms of reference start in summer 2001 when, we now know, warnings of the 9/11 attacks were flooding into Washington.
1. BLAIR'S EVIDENCE AND THE QUESTIONS IT RAISES
In case there can be any doubt as to the central role of the 9/11 attacks in the decision to invade Iraq, please recall that Blair made his "shoulder to shoulder" speech in the weeks after 9/11 and as we now know decided effectively to subordinate UK foreign policy to the Bush White House at that time. As he explained to you very clearly and repeatedly in his testimony, 9/11 was a major factor in the decision to invade Iraq because it changed the "calculus of risk". This confirms what commentators across the political spectrum have been saying: that the invasion of Iraq was made politically possible by 9/11.
Assuming Al Qaeda carried out the attacks independently of any other organisation, an extremely important question remains: how were the attacks able to succeed and hence to change the "calculus of risk"?
2. DANGER OF PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION IF WASHINGTON'S EXPLANATION NOT EXAMINED
We accept it is not up to your Inquiry to determine what happened on 9/11, but we contend the public will not be satisfied unless you examine whether the explanation of the causes, offered to London by Washington, of this massive US defence failure was reliable. Given the anger that now exists in many quarters over the weapons of mass destruction allegations and the "dodgy dossiers" in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, we submit that the public will expect you to look into this with great concern and investigate whether the official 9/11 story is wrong, self-exculpatory, misleading, or simply not adequately substantiated. If Washington's explanation is unreliable we contend your report should state that further investigation is needed.
3. MISLEADING MEDIA REPORTS AND OFFICIAL STATEMENTS
A review of the media reports at the time confirms that the initial 9/11 account was indeed seriously wrong and that this is the version on which Tony Blair seems to have based his decision making. Politicians and commentators said that Al Qaeda succeeded in this unprecedented, audacious and well-planned attack because they had immense resources and, in the words of Condoleeza Rice, that in the US government "nobody could imagine" that such an attack might occur. Blair made similar comments.
However we now know that the main features of the 9/11 attacks had all been built into various Pentagon war games in the months before 9/11, that Rice had ignored multiple warnings from top officials and foreign governments, and that the failure of the CIA to co-operate with FBI investigations into the presumed 9/11 hijackers was a major factor in the success of the attacks. The 9/11 Commission chair said at one point that the attacks "could and should" have been prevented. There is much further evidence to support this view. It may be noteworthy too that the CIA's Inspector General later gave George Tenet, CIA director at the time, a severe reprimand over 9/11 on grounds that remain secret.
4. INADEQUACY OF INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO LONDON
If you agree with the consensus view now, that failings of the US authorities, glossed over at the time, were a significant factor in the success of the 9/11 attacks, and if London was trusting information supplied by Washington rather than carrying out their own checks, this has a major bearing on the UK decision to invade Iraq.
It would mean that the alternative policy to war was not properly evaluated. This would have been to avoid launching the invasions, deal with terrorism in the ways that had always been followed up to then, and deal with the causes of the intelligence failings at home.
5. WAS 9/11 ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATED PRIOR TO WAR?
We are not asking you to mount an entirely new investigation into the 9/11 attacks, but we hope you will agree that judgement by media acclamation and White House press release is not a sufficient basis to launch two wars. Therefore we submit that you should note in your final report that the 9/11 attacks have never been fully investigated by a well resourced and independent body prepared to consider a range of ideas on what the full story might be. Many people in the US, including many of the bereaved and members of the 9/11 Commission itself, emphasise the lack of a thorough investigation. The 9/11 Commission was starved of funds, given a very tight timescale and was refused access to key evidence. See note below for some more failings of the 9/11 Commission. The promised trial of alleged ringleader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the only person ever indicted for a central role in the 9/11 attacks, seems to have been postponed indefinitely.
6. NEED FOR A NEW INVESTIGATION
A new 9/11 investigation, and particularly a sharing of the mountain of still secret evidence with the public, is all the more important in the light of the many details which still have not been satisfactorily explained. For instance there is so far no official explanation for the recent discovery by associate Professor Niels Harrit of uncombusted high energy artificial nanothermite particles in the dust at Ground Zero, which indicate the possibility that the collapse of the buildings was some sort of a controlled demolition which could explain the rapid and symmetrical downward collapse of the three (sic) multistorey WTC buildings. Official sources insist the collapses all happened spontaneously in a way unforeseen by any expert before the event, but independent experts have not been given access to the evidence or the computer models which government scientists rely on. Hundreds of architects, engineers and demolition experts have spoken out publicly calling for a new investigation.
Another reason for a further investigation is that the 9/11 Commission discovered the CIA had a top secret 80 strong Osama Bin Laden unit working on projects in the months before 9/11. This contrasts with the explanation proffered by many politicians and commentators that Washington had lost interest in Afghanistan. The CIA reportedly refused to talk to the 9/11 Commission about vast areas of what the OBL unit was up to.
Similarly no details have been given of the Pentagon's anti-hijack exercise running, apparently by sheer coincidence, at the exact time of the 9/11 attacks and which we now know interfered with the response from air traffic control and the Pentagon. Even the flight manifests for the hijacked planes are still secret.
7. QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED
As well as the more general recommendations mentioned above concerning the preventabilty of the 9/11 attacks and the failure to investigate the whole affair in any depth, we submit that you should ask some specific questions to Tony Blair. Before he gave his almost unconditional support to the Bush White House, did he task MI6 or any other UK agency to make an independent assessment of the 9/11 attacks, of who was behind them, and of how they came to be carried out so successfully? Did anyone mention to him that the Oklahoma bomb was at first wrongly blamed by Washington on Islamic extremists? Did he and his advisors discuss the possibility the attacks were successful as a result of failings in the US? Did they inquire if 9/11 resulted, as now seems possible, from a CIA sting operation gone wrong?
8. WHAT WE CAN OFFER
Finally we submit that you should take adequate evidence from us and make appropriate recommendations in your report, not only because the decision to invade Iraq is at the heart of your inquiry but also out of respect for the rights of the bereaved and other victims of many nationalities in both the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Please take public testimony from Paul Warburton on the general legal issues, Niels Harrit on the nanothermite at the World Trade Centre, and Ian Henshall for an overview on how the official 9/11 story has changed and whether it is reliable. Other experts could probably be made available including retired FBI and CIA officers.
Ian Henshall (co-ordinator Reinvestigate 911, author 911 The New Evidence)
Paul Warburton (barrister)
Niels Harrit (associate professor of Chemistry University of Copenhagen, nanotechnology specialist)
Noel Glynn (Convenor Quakers for Truth on Terrorism)
NOTE
The only official attempts to investigate 9/11 were the FBI probe that was ended prematurely and run by Bush appointee Michael Chertoff (later Homeland security chief in charge of the Hurricane Katrina disaster), and the 9/11 Commission. The latter was severely underfunded, short of time, and stuffed with Washington insiders. It never considered any scenario other than the official story. Its executive Director Phillip Zelikow was caught reporting regularly in secret to the White House, while Senator Max Cleland resigned angrily denouncing the process as a whitewash. Later the chief investigator John Farmer wrote that there was an agreement in the White House or the Pentagon to lie to investigators. The Commission failed to clarify the role of the CIA's top secret Osama Bin Laden unit and its refusal to pass on important information to the FBI prior to the attacks. It failed to investigate the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings one of which was not struck by a plane and which we now know fell at free fall speed. For the chaos and manipulation of the 911 Commission by Zelikow and the Bush White House, see the book The Commission by Phil Shenon the New York Times specialist on the subject.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"9/11 THE NEW EVIDENCE"
pub Sept 2007 Constable (UK) ISBN 978-1-84529-514-1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/11-New-Evidence-Ian-Henshall/dp/1845295145/
"9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence"
pub Oct 2007 Carroll & Graf (US) ISBN-10: 0786720417
http://www.amazon.com/9-11-Revealed-New-Evidence/dp/0786720417/
Ian Henshall is also proprietor of Coffee Plant ( www.coffee.uk.com)
and chair of INK, trade organisation for UK alternative print media (www.ink.uk.com)
Ian Henshall's email is crisisnewsletter@pro-net.co.uk
My Letter:
Hello,
I am writing to voice my support for the letter from Reinvestigate911 below. Let there be no doubt that these two issues are inescapably intertwined. President Bush's March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq, includes the following paragraph.
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
John-Michael P. Talboo
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com
Letter from Debunking the Debunkers blog contributor Steve Weathers:
There are frightening consequences for failing to act upon the evidence showing that the attacks of September 11 involved an element of US Government complicity:
Dear Reader, this submission to the Inquiry is in support of the letter from Reinvestigate911. (This document should already be on file with your investigation.)
As you are probably well aware, there is a direct connection to the illegal invasion of Iraq and the attacks of 911.
Put simply: the threat of future 911 style terror attacks provided a "justification" for the preemptive War.
However, such a justification is totally undermined by damning material evidence that has come to light indicating the 911 attacks involved a huge degree of "inside help".
I will not go over the evidence here suffice to say that other submissions to your inquiry will have covered the forensic evidence that proves the official story is a lie. (Visit: http://www.ae911truth.org and for counter disinformation material http://911debunkers.blogspot.com)
My task here is to alert the Inquiry to the serious implications of ignoring this evidence.
It should be noted that:
1. Failure to recognise the staged nature of 911 helps to prolong the false paradigm, held in the minds of policy makers and the general public, that the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), can be somewhat justified as reaction to a heinous crime committed by Muslim extremists.
2. that; failure to recognise the hard evidence here places the population of many Western countries under threat of draconian anti-terror legislation, physical harm and continued psychological damage. Most troubling of all is the fact we are susceptible to further false flag incidents that may involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. My fear is that new terror attacks being planned by elements from within "our own side" will involve biological, chemical or nuclear devices.
3. that; failure to address the false flag nature of 911 leaves the door open for those war obsessed elements of US and European governments to attack countries like Iran that do not pose a threat and have not broken any International Laws.
Dear Reader, it does not matter how many real terrorists are caught or captured if elements of our own Governments and intelligence services have a hand in committing terrorist atrocities.
Please take action on the evidence that proves US complicity in 911 so we can see an end to the War in Iraq and an end to the wider War on Terror.
Thanks for you attention
Steven Weathers
Related Info:
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Monday, September 27, 2010
What We Believe According to JREFers
Posted by
Adam Taylor
So I've just taken a look over at ae911truth.info to see if Mr. Joseph Nobles has been up to anything recently. His latest addition to his site concerns a post by someone on the JREF forum on a thread titled "Why do you still believe that a collapse due to fire wouldn't be possible?". I was ready to write a quick response to this, but looking through the thread I quickly saw that someone had already responded to it. Poster "Sivan Kurzberg" posted this excellent response, which I've reposted here with some of my own comments in red, some links:
1 - Steel does lose strength at high temperatures.
Where was it ever claimed otherwise? You need to prove those temperatures though. Absolutely. And NIST has not done this.
2 - The fire protection were removed from the truss on the floors where the impact occurred.
This is speculation that's never proven. Exactly how much was removed and exactly how? Exactly how much was needed to remain to keep the building up longer than an hour or until it was completely evacuated? What's more, fireproofing is only good for up to 2-3 hours. Other skyscrapers have burned over 5 hours and have not collapsed.
3 - It is not necessary to remove all fire protection to make the structure susceptible to fire.
See number 2
4 - The failure of a structural element can cause the failure of others.
Sure, but will it bring on sudden rapid global collapse of the entire structure? It may, but we have no examples of this outside of controlled demolition.
5 - Progressive collapse does exist.
Sure. But not sudden rapid global collapse complete in a matter of seconds like what was witnessed three times on 9/11. The only real progressive collapse caused by fire was everything one would expect: localized, asymmetric, and nowhere near free fall rate.
This thread is not about evidence of controlled demolition nor NIST findings. It's about arguments that support the claim the towers (WTC 1 and 2) couldn't have collapsed due to fire.
It's still unprecedented and unproven. This is the problem. I couldn't agree more.
Sivan Kurzberg also mentioned something that debunkers have yet to do:
"What the debunkers will never be able to show is the sudden global collapse of an entire high-rise complete in a matter of seconds. Especially of a building only on fire for about an hour."
Looking through the thread more, I was surprised to see that poster "Patriots4Truth" posted several of my videos from my "9/11 Un-debunked" series in response to debunker claims. Poster "Grizzly Bear" had some thoughts on my videos. Once again, I've reposted that here with my comments in red with some links:
A quick comment while I'm on break...
Fires Insufficient To Cause Collapse
Mister citizen assumes the only fuel available for the fires was the jet fuel. It's a repeat of the "no steel over 600oF" claim which itself is based on a bastardization of the NIST report's conclusion. Given his premise is incorrect, his video is of little to no relevance. I do not assume that jet fuel was the only source of fuel, and I never will. The point of my video was to show that the amount of fuel in each of the Towers was smaller than debunkers had portrayed in the past. This is supposed to be a crucial difference between the fires in the Towers and other skyscraper fires. Clearly jet fuel would have created higher temperatures than office material.
Buildings Built To Withstand Airplane Strikes
Quote:
When the WTC towers were built there was extensive controversy over their safety in emergencies. The NYC Fire Department protested, as did a host of other agencies and professional associations. The buildings were constructed in bulk and height far in excess of what municipal construction and zoning codes allowed. However, the Port Authority, a quasi-governmental agency with exceptional powers inherited from the regime of Robert Moses, was specifically exempt from compliance with municipal codes. The real estate, construction and finance industries were powerful supporters of the project.
Aside, I add that in 30 some years of examining buildings in New York, I have found none, zero, which are fully compliant with municipal building codes. It is a terrible, little reported scandal of the city in which it is considered to be bad business to fully comply with codes.
Also, pertinent to the video's specific claim: the effect of fires following such an impact were not considered. This ignores the several pre-9/11 sources which indicate the fires were taken into account. All Dr. Shyam Sunder had to say about this was that "Whether the fuel was taken into account or not is an open question."
Speed Of The Collapse Was Too Fast
Why the speed issue is always brought up is beyond me... Once the collapse initiated it was collapsing regardless of whether it took 10 or 30 seconds... Mr citizen obviously cites the commission report, which for whatever reason truthers to this day still hold the absurd belief it was intended to be a engineering report as opposed to a bipartisan investigation concerning what lead to the attacks happening, not determining how or why the towers failed. This is pointless rambling. I only cited the Commission Report to make clear that the official investigators were the first to make claims of "10 seconds." The speed issue is very important, and it has been shown the the fall rates of the Towers were at the very least consistent with controlled demolition.
The First Steel Framed High-Rise Fire Collapses
"First time in history" is a bowl of laughs... To claim this requires an absolute bastardization and ignorance of steel material properties and general design case studies. His opinions being based on such faulty premises renders his video irrelevant. Exactly how is my video irrelevant? Debunkers find it unacceptable to compare other high-rise skyscraper fires to the Towers and Building 7, but comparing them to badly built toy factories and elementary schools is just fine. The only steel structures debunkers apparently do think are comparable are structures that have collapsed from fire, with none of them being steel skyscrapers.
Throughout the thread some JREFers brought up Building 5's partial collapse from fire, which they seem to think supports the "fire can cause collapse" theory.
Here's the reality.
WTC Collapse
This was a regurgitation of all the videos in your list preceding it. None of which had any reasonable argument made against them.
WTC 7's Collapse Is Still A Mystery
This comment was pretty stupid, considering only "on-tenth" or so of WTC 1 & 2 each were burning.

Makes me genuinely curious if he's ever seen a building up close while it was on fire. However, as I've already shown, Building 5 was almost fully engulfed and performed much better.
He also believes the smoke emanating from WTC 7 was not from WTC 7... similar to the DRG/Jones claim that the smoke instead came from WTC 5... Which is what I do claim. He completely ignores the photos which show the exact same thing happened to WTC1.
Apparently his "mystery" is part of his faulty premise... and this video is also not relevant to any degree. It is relevant because debunkers still cry claims of "25% scooped out!" or "there were fuel tanks in the building!" As long as debunkers keep making these claims, I see it as very relevant.
South Tower Should Have Toppled
Absolutely fail, the towers were not solid trees. And I never claimed them to be. What I do claim is that at least three times as much weight was acting on one side of the building, but instead of toppling it lost its moment of inertia and disintegrated.
patriots4truth, these videos are little more than psuedoscience and regurgitation. I would be interested if you can offer your own argument instead of offering a regurgitation of 2006 from unqualified individuals. Thank you. These arguments clearly are groundless, and JREFers themselves have been shown to be nothing but psuedoskeptics.
Hopefully, this will put what the Truth Movement believes in better perspective for the debunkers.
Related Info:
The neverending incredulity of JREFers
JREF Forum posts: "Comprehensive characteristics of the pseudoskeptic"
Gordon Ross is pretty sure he exists.
1 - Steel does lose strength at high temperatures.
Where was it ever claimed otherwise? You need to prove those temperatures though. Absolutely. And NIST has not done this.
2 - The fire protection were removed from the truss on the floors where the impact occurred.
This is speculation that's never proven. Exactly how much was removed and exactly how? Exactly how much was needed to remain to keep the building up longer than an hour or until it was completely evacuated? What's more, fireproofing is only good for up to 2-3 hours. Other skyscrapers have burned over 5 hours and have not collapsed.
3 - It is not necessary to remove all fire protection to make the structure susceptible to fire.
See number 2
4 - The failure of a structural element can cause the failure of others.
Sure, but will it bring on sudden rapid global collapse of the entire structure? It may, but we have no examples of this outside of controlled demolition.
5 - Progressive collapse does exist.
Sure. But not sudden rapid global collapse complete in a matter of seconds like what was witnessed three times on 9/11. The only real progressive collapse caused by fire was everything one would expect: localized, asymmetric, and nowhere near free fall rate.
This thread is not about evidence of controlled demolition nor NIST findings. It's about arguments that support the claim the towers (WTC 1 and 2) couldn't have collapsed due to fire.
It's still unprecedented and unproven. This is the problem. I couldn't agree more.
Sivan Kurzberg also mentioned something that debunkers have yet to do:
"What the debunkers will never be able to show is the sudden global collapse of an entire high-rise complete in a matter of seconds. Especially of a building only on fire for about an hour."
Looking through the thread more, I was surprised to see that poster "Patriots4Truth" posted several of my videos from my "9/11 Un-debunked" series in response to debunker claims. Poster "Grizzly Bear" had some thoughts on my videos. Once again, I've reposted that here with my comments in red with some links:
A quick comment while I'm on break...
Fires Insufficient To Cause Collapse
Mister citizen assumes the only fuel available for the fires was the jet fuel. It's a repeat of the "no steel over 600oF" claim which itself is based on a bastardization of the NIST report's conclusion. Given his premise is incorrect, his video is of little to no relevance. I do not assume that jet fuel was the only source of fuel, and I never will. The point of my video was to show that the amount of fuel in each of the Towers was smaller than debunkers had portrayed in the past. This is supposed to be a crucial difference between the fires in the Towers and other skyscraper fires. Clearly jet fuel would have created higher temperatures than office material.
Buildings Built To Withstand Airplane Strikes
Quote:
When the WTC towers were built there was extensive controversy over their safety in emergencies. The NYC Fire Department protested, as did a host of other agencies and professional associations. The buildings were constructed in bulk and height far in excess of what municipal construction and zoning codes allowed. However, the Port Authority, a quasi-governmental agency with exceptional powers inherited from the regime of Robert Moses, was specifically exempt from compliance with municipal codes. The real estate, construction and finance industries were powerful supporters of the project.
Aside, I add that in 30 some years of examining buildings in New York, I have found none, zero, which are fully compliant with municipal building codes. It is a terrible, little reported scandal of the city in which it is considered to be bad business to fully comply with codes.
Also, pertinent to the video's specific claim: the effect of fires following such an impact were not considered. This ignores the several pre-9/11 sources which indicate the fires were taken into account. All Dr. Shyam Sunder had to say about this was that "Whether the fuel was taken into account or not is an open question."
Speed Of The Collapse Was Too Fast
Why the speed issue is always brought up is beyond me... Once the collapse initiated it was collapsing regardless of whether it took 10 or 30 seconds... Mr citizen obviously cites the commission report, which for whatever reason truthers to this day still hold the absurd belief it was intended to be a engineering report as opposed to a bipartisan investigation concerning what lead to the attacks happening, not determining how or why the towers failed. This is pointless rambling. I only cited the Commission Report to make clear that the official investigators were the first to make claims of "10 seconds." The speed issue is very important, and it has been shown the the fall rates of the Towers were at the very least consistent with controlled demolition.
The First Steel Framed High-Rise Fire Collapses
"First time in history" is a bowl of laughs... To claim this requires an absolute bastardization and ignorance of steel material properties and general design case studies. His opinions being based on such faulty premises renders his video irrelevant. Exactly how is my video irrelevant? Debunkers find it unacceptable to compare other high-rise skyscraper fires to the Towers and Building 7, but comparing them to badly built toy factories and elementary schools is just fine. The only steel structures debunkers apparently do think are comparable are structures that have collapsed from fire, with none of them being steel skyscrapers.
Throughout the thread some JREFers brought up Building 5's partial collapse from fire, which they seem to think supports the "fire can cause collapse" theory.
Here's the reality.
WTC Collapse
This was a regurgitation of all the videos in your list preceding it. None of which had any reasonable argument made against them.
WTC 7's Collapse Is Still A Mystery
This comment was pretty stupid, considering only "on-tenth" or so of WTC 1 & 2 each were burning.

Makes me genuinely curious if he's ever seen a building up close while it was on fire. However, as I've already shown, Building 5 was almost fully engulfed and performed much better.
He also believes the smoke emanating from WTC 7 was not from WTC 7... similar to the DRG/Jones claim that the smoke instead came from WTC 5... Which is what I do claim. He completely ignores the photos which show the exact same thing happened to WTC1.
Apparently his "mystery" is part of his faulty premise... and this video is also not relevant to any degree. It is relevant because debunkers still cry claims of "25% scooped out!" or "there were fuel tanks in the building!" As long as debunkers keep making these claims, I see it as very relevant.
South Tower Should Have Toppled
Absolutely fail, the towers were not solid trees. And I never claimed them to be. What I do claim is that at least three times as much weight was acting on one side of the building, but instead of toppling it lost its moment of inertia and disintegrated.
patriots4truth, these videos are little more than psuedoscience and regurgitation. I would be interested if you can offer your own argument instead of offering a regurgitation of 2006 from unqualified individuals. Thank you. These arguments clearly are groundless, and JREFers themselves have been shown to be nothing but psuedoskeptics.
Hopefully, this will put what the Truth Movement believes in better perspective for the debunkers.
Related Info:
The neverending incredulity of JREFers
JREF Forum posts: "Comprehensive characteristics of the pseudoskeptic"
Gordon Ross is pretty sure he exists.
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The beam that fell too fast...
Posted by
ScootleRoyale
I normally don't like discussing little anomalies in videos like this, but I found this kind of interesting. Some time ago I posted the image below and noted the single beam that's fallen much further than the rest of the debris, as if it was falling faster than freefall.
In many videos this beam can be seen falling unusually fast, as if it was launched downwards. Up until today I had never bothered to time it, mainly because I couldn't find a continuous shot from a good angle.
The video above is continous and pretty much square on, so I thought I'd use it to see how much time there was between the start of the north tower's collapse, and the moment the beam disappears behind WTC7. As the video shows, it was somewhere between 6.7 and 6.8 seconds. The north tower was 417 meters tall, and WTC7 was 186 meters tall, so the distance between the two roofs was about 230 meters. The amount of time it would take to freefall that distance in a vaccum is about 6.85 seconds. So even if this beam was dropped from the height of the roof of the north tower at the exact moment the tower started to collapse, it still wouldn't have reached the roof of WTC7 in under 6.8 seconds. Put simply, this steel beam had to have been falling significantly faster than freefall. Obviously this is impossible unless it was launched downwards by something, such as an explosion.
So not only were there horizontal ejections, there was also at least one downward ejection!
Friday, September 24, 2010
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