Monday, October 21, 2013

9/11 Truth Petitions/Polls and Debunking of Debunker Analysis Suggesting 9/11 Truth is Dead

Updates: A Majority of Americans Do Not Believe the Official 9/11 Story

And the grand total for the AE911Truth petition currently sits at 22,830 signatures for the general public. 3,122 separate signatories are comprised of architectural and engineering professionals.

Monday, October 21, 2013

Scroll down past the first four petitions for commentary.

Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks

sponsored by Citizens for Legitimate Government

To: The U.S. Senate
Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks
We, the undersigned, do hereby petition the Senate of the United States of America to thoroughly investigate the events surrounding the acts of terrorism that transpired in the United States on September 11, 2001. Such an investigation would include research into the following peculiarities relating to the terrorist attacks on the United States on 9/11:
1.) Thousands of put stock options put stock options that were purchased on United and American airlines immediately prior to 9/11/01
2.) Financial transactions totaling more than 100 million dollars that electronically passed through the World Trade Center immediately prior to its destruction on 9/11
3.) Black-box recordings from the four planes which crashed on 9/11
4.) Cell phone calls made by passengers on hijacked flights on 9/11 which never emerged on their cell-phone bills
5.) Interviews of any air-traffic controllers on duty on 9/11
6.) Eyewitness accounts detailing Flight 93's explosion prior to its crashing
7.) Aircraft debris strewn approximately seven miles from the crash site of Flight 93
8.) Unocal's role in its quest to build an oil pipeline across Afghanistan, plans implemented prior to 2001
9.) Carlyle Corporation's role in overseeing Unocal's quest to have an oil pipeline built across Afghanistan, plans implemented prior to 2001
10.) Role of remote-control sofware technology implemented in 9/11 hijackings and crashes
11.) George W. Bush's possible foreknowledge of the terrorist attacks on 9/11
12.) Role of the Northern Alliance in explosive growth of opium production in Afghanistan after U.S. military intervention
We respectfully petition the Senate to make public the results of this investigation.

Citizens' Complaint and Petition to Attorney General of New York for an Independent Grand Jury Investigation sponsored by, et al.

with New York legislators, first responders, victim families, and millions of NY citizens calling for a new investigation of unsolved 9/11 crimes, and the full prosecution
of those found responsible.
In memory and on behalf of:
* the more than 2800 murdered in New York on September 11, 2001, including 343 firefighters and 75 police officers;
* the hundreds of thousands of residents and workers variously harmed by the assault;
* the equivalent numbers suffering dire health effects from attack-related pollution;
* New York's collateral victims, human and institutional, who collectively lost billions of dollars in business, career and property damages; and
* the millions of New York citizens who have lost precious freedoms, rights, family members and/or faith in government in the resulting so-called "War on Terror."
We the undersigned:
a) think that there is ample evidence and probable cause to believe that many grave and still unresolved crimes were committed
by US officials prior to, during and after the events of 9/11;
b) observe that most of these apparent crimes, including but not limited to abetment of mass murder, criminal negligence, insider trading, and obstruction of justice, fall well within the jurisdiction of New York's top law enforcement officials, who thus become the People's last recourse when federal intervention yields no credible answers, relief or accountability;
c) therefore petition the Attorney General of the State of New York and the District Attorney of the Borough of Manhattan:
* to open urgent new investigations into the most serious, incriminating, and still largely unexplicated bodies of 9/11 evidence,
* to expose and fully prosecute the perpetrators of all discovered crimes,
* to restore damages, justice and honor to the state and people of New York, and thereby
* to reclaim the public trust in government and our system of law.
Justice for 9/11" Steering Committee--Sponsoring organizations:, 9/11 CitizensWatch, WTC Environmental Organization

 Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission
Public's Right To Know - Declassification and Release of Documents
created by and written by Patty Casazza, Monica Gabrielle, Mindy Kleinberg, Lorie Van Auken

To: U.S Congress; Press/Media
We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S.

Given that much of the July 10, 2001 meeting has already been made public in Bob Woodward's newly released book, "State of Denial", it is unacceptable to continue to keep these documents and transcripts hidden from the American public's view.

In addition, we again call for the declassification and release of both the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General's report, "CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks".

The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day.

Sincerely, (The Undersigned)


JREF "debunker" Oystein's article, "All 'Truther' Petitions fail miserably," used four other petitions than those above to illustrate his point. Stating in his conclusion that, "In my opinion, all these petitions document that, today, '9/11 Truth' is a fringe issue that no more than a few thousand individuals worldwide have an actual interest in."

I sent him much of the following info I'm going to debunk him with here, but he did not change his blog post much if at all.

Let's compare his choices to mine. The highest number of signatures achieved by any of the four petitions he cited, at the time of his writing, was 5,600. The top petition listed by me here currently has 30,035 signatures. The now closed "Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks," had a tally of  "28,108 Total Signatures! (January 2006)"

The now closed, "
Scholars Call for Release of 9/11 Information" petition from The Petition Site had a final tally of  22,736.

And the grand total for the AE911Truth petition currently sits at 22,830 signatures for the general public. 3,122 separate signatories are comprised of architectural and engineering professionals.

As I wrote in a 'debunker' talking point inspired article I authored for 

Why does AE911Truth represent only a small percentage of architects and engineers?

Most architects and engineers have never been presented with the scientific evidence of controlled demolition. In addition, most of those who take the time to examine this evidence acknowledge that the official story can’t be true. As of the date of this publication, there are almost 1,700 architects and engineers who openly support the findings of AE911Truth vs. only a few dozen who have openly supported the NIST WTC reports. Even so, in the end, the evidence stands on its own, regardless of how many professionals are aware of it.  A more detailed answer is available here.

Finally, the Justice for 9/11 petition below that of AE911Truth's currently totals 18,054 with 178 of that number still pending review. Oystein has went missing from the 9/11 debate world for awhile now, but if he were around and if the new petition wasn't, he would likely argue that these are all older petitions and that support has waned as he said to "a few thousand individuals worldwide." The problem is that the petition is around since his not being so and in approximately the past month and 3 weeks has obtained 14,616 signatories. Just overlap with the ae911truth petition? To some extent, yes, but the campaign promoting this separate petition was massive in scope. Many signatories on the rethink 9/11 petition are undoubtedly new.

The ReThink911 International Petition is open to all citizens worldwide. When this petition reaches one million signatories, it will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that had citizens who died in the attacks on September 11, 2001.

If around, Oystein would likely, as he did with one of the polls before, weigh it against its lofty goal of a million signatures, thus he could still try to make the gap a proof of failure. However, the BBC reported just this last September that according to "a research team from Oxford University... few e-petitions soar above tens of thousands of signatures." Thus, most petitions would appear to be massive failures when measured against an unrealistic desired million signatories.

Even if the ReThink 911 petition suddenly stopped dead in its tracks, Oystein's claim that "'9/11 Truth' is a fringe issue," is refuted by a plethora of polling data, including both scientific polls and non.

As notes, "Just before the fifth anniversary of the attack, Time published its first major article on public skepticism of the official story, Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away. Citing a Scripps-Howard poll, Time acknowledges that the view that government officials either "allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves" is a "a mainstream political reality".  Can't get much less "fringe" than that.

The fact of the matter is, the data conclusively shows that there is quite substantial and perpetually expanding skepticism of the official account of 9/11, and that an undoubtedly notable and also ever-growing percentage of this mass of doubters, suspects or is convinced to varying levels, of not just criminal negligence, but complicity and involvement by U.S. officials. Now let's compare Oystein's four analyzed petitions with four of the most recent polls. In 2011, two polls were conducted refuting Oystein's conclusion. A poll sponsored by the German magazine Welt der Wunder found that 89% of respondents questioned 9/11. Another poll commissioned by showed that more respondents favored a new Building 7 investigation than those who opposed one.

48% YES
44% NO
8% Unsure

Then this September, ReThink commissioned two polls that were conducted by the polling firm YouGov. The first results resulted in the headline, "New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories."

ReThink911 breaks it down:

Among the poll’s findings:

  • 38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;
  • 46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
  • After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:
    • 46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know;
    • By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it.
As to the second poll...

New Poll Finds a Majority of Canadians Side with Ads Questioning 9/11

Posted by — September 25, 2013

 51% Suspect Controlled Demolition of Building 7 after Viewing Video of Collapse

 44% Support Investigation into Building 7’s Collapse, Compared to 13% Who Oppose It

 54% Believe Ads about Building 7 Are Protected by Free Speech, Compared to 19% Who Think Such Ads Should Not Be Allowed

A new survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that most Canadians are not opposed to the ads currently appearing in Canadian cities calling for a new investigation into the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11.

The poll was commissioned by the sponsor of the ads,, in response to criticism denouncing the ads as “disrespectful,” along with comments made by the Chair of Ottawa’s Transit Commission calling for a review of the transit system’s advertising policy. The poll shows that a majority of Canadians actually side with in questioning the cause of Building 7’s collapse. After viewing video footage of the building’s collapse from four different angles:

  51% of respondents are sure or suspect that Building 7’s collapse was caused by a controlled demolition, compared to just 18% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 31% who don’t know;
  49% are more inclined to believe the critics who say that explosives were used to bring down Building 7, compared to 20% who are more inclined to believe the U.S. government’s conclusion that fires caused Building 7’s collapse, and 24% who don’t know;

By a margin of more than 3 to 1, 44% support a new investigation into the collapse of Building 7, compared to just 13% who are opposed. 34% neither support nor oppose a new investigation, and 8% are unsure;

Canadians are somewhat more evenly divided on whether Canada or an international body should launch an investigation into the events of 9/11, with a plurality of 36% supporting an investigation, 30% neither supporting nor opposing an investigation, and 27% opposed;

54% believe that the Ottawa transit system’s advertising policy should not be revised because the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects the right to free speech and the Canadian Code of Advertising Standards already establishes standards of acceptability in advertising; compared to 19% who believe that the advertising policy should be revised to place greater emphasis on community acceptability so that ads like ReThink911’s would not be allowed.
Furthermore, a March 30, 2010 article published by the Centre for Research on Globalization reported that the figures derived from an "Angus Reid Public Opinion survey of a representative national sample of American adults... translated to about 100 million Americans that question or find fault with the official 9/11 story, far from a trivial number and far too many to dismiss as conspiracy nuts and part of the lunatic fringe. This is the important message that merits public appreciation."

Another article by the organization published the prior month demonstrated that indeed the blind disregard of the topic was waning due to the "increasing influence of the 9/11 truth movement," noting, "In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account. Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a 'conspiracy theory' ignoring science and common sense."

From this data, it is logical to conclude that there is massive, mostly passive, support for 9/11 truth and there exists tens of thousands of activists deeply involved in the issue.

So, keep on keeping on, 9/11 truth is alive folks. We are doing fine. Make sure you've signed all of these petitions and make an effort to get others to do the same.

WTC 7 Petition to the National Institute for Standards and Technology, U.S. Congress, and President Obama

Petition for Awareness of the 9/11 Truth Movement

Sign The Statement For 9/11 Justice. It's the right thing to do. Sign here.

Struggling Petitions:

The Petition Site's 9/11 Truth Petitions

Petition Online's 9/11 Truth Petitions’s 9/11 Truth Petitions

Re-Investigate 911

Todd Zinser, Office of Inspector General, Department of Commerce: Investigate why NIST created a fraudulent report on WTC7

Reveal the Truth about the Events of 9/11. You are the voice of this world. Please help this cause.