Monday, September 11, 2023

Reviews of my interview, JM Talboo, with Mick West--- Pay close attention kiddos, I trick Mick into admitting conspiracies conducted by powerful people is the norm and not an aberration!

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Hi. I am not a truther by any stretch of imagination. But Mick argument that it is obvious what happened to the buildings so why test anything for residues of explosives is wrong. This was a criminal investigation of a mass murder event on a unprecedented scale. And you don't look just to be certain if there was any explosives? I think that this would be very unprofessional. Of course if this is true. I don't know that. Keep up the good work Mick! I'm currently thoroughly reading the metabunk forum. You are making a great and very important work.

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10:20 Just how firm are you NIST 9/11 story, again? It's quite amazing how Mick could easily refute the possibility of a controlled demolition when it's highly plausible, considering the incredible monetary gains to Larry Silverstein on July 24, 2001 , leased less than two months from {BOOM}. Leased a GREAT DEAL more than market value, Hmmm and required multiple insurance companies to satisfy the inflated level of cost... Guess it's just crazy to consider that to be suspect (by itself), but Mick strangely doesn't bite on the possibility that they're were more players than Al Qaeda involved this very likely coordinated event. Oh and here's another look at that fire theory by reputable architects that you've waiting for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atv31d1BmLs&t=921s 14:00 "Truthers" also realized the domino affect of an attack of the WTC would be a vessel for war and those players associated with the Military Industrial Complex would make trillions. This concept was not lost by the Feds rather not acknowledged, thus not incorporating test model to support a coordinated ground event. Oh and how convenient that WTC demise helped Bush with AGENDA21. 52:00 And of course, the CIA Pavlov/Mockingbird influence upon the media, isn't a thing either... too much. 1:02:00 Talboo's attitude toward 9/11 right here is very reasonable, not without dead certainty that Mick seems to have. It's still an event deserving of healthy speculation which has yet been investigated thoroughly outside the likely compromised NIST and intelligent agencies. 1:04:10 Isn't it interesting how Mick has to lean toward an eyewitness's account as being false, without knowing the details of a school shooting, it's like his default switch to protect the mainstream narrative without admittance of not knowing the details, as if his integrity relied upon dampening public speculation. Hope you'll considering turning a page in terms of certainty on this event, your steely cold droned out narrative will very likely lose more of its weight as the days progress. Cheers!


I found Jm website was a good resource for information, Especially the work with Ziggi Zugam on the Nano Thermite issue, Especially when Chris Mohr had arranged a rebuttal of the Harrit et al Paper with the Millette Paper. I think it would have solved a lot of issues had there been a testing for this material by an independent panel of experts. I think it will be interesting to see where the Hulsey findings will lead, it has certainly made interesting reading on Micks Metabunk site, and ISF.

 
JM Talboo runs the web site http://911debunkers.blogspot.com subtitled “Debunking the Debunkers of the 9/11 Truth Movement”. His focus is on debunking people like me, i.e. people who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories. But he also debunks 9/11 Truthers when he sees them make mistakes, and recently added another subtitle to his blog: “Refuting the Hollow Arguments of the So-called 9/11 Debunkers & Truthers” We talk about how he got into 9/11 Truth and blogging, how his beliefs have changed over time, and wander into the weeds of a variety of 9/11 related topics. We also venture further into the conspiracysphere, touching on JFK, Chemtrails, False Flags, and other topics. JM's Source list:

JM Note: Pay close attention kiddos, I trick Mick into admitting conspiracies conducted by powerful people is the norm and not an aberration. In other words, he helps build the case that the conspiracy theorists are right! We aren't always right, but we've been running up the scoreboard lately. Critically thinking about official narratives and then speaking out is heroic! It's your right and obligation to fight government corruption that Mick inadvertently admits is rampant. Heck, corporate fascism is conspiring to steal the election right now! #ProudConspiracyTheorist



Sometimes just letting people you are debating talk at length is akin to giving them enough rope to hang themselves. Check out my sources and debunking of him below...


Joe Rogan Interviewee, Mick West, Discusses 9/11 and Conspiracies with JM Talboo of 911debunkers.blogspot.com


JM's Show Notes:

JM Talboo - Activist, Researcher, Blogger, Paranormal Investigator, Podcaster, Documentary Film Maker, Musician, More...
https://mindtreasury.blogspot.com/2019/10/jm-talboo-activist-blogger-paranormal.html

Many people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rogue elements of the US government and intelligence apparatus, as well as other international intelligence agencies, were involved, doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers ("debunkers" just assert they are all confused lying with no basis), and peer-reviewed studies of the physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

TTR Episode 28: JM Talboo & Larry Pinkney Talk Black Panthers, Racism, Trump, Vomitstream Media, Censorship, Being Conspiracy Analysts NOT Theorists, 9/11 Truth, UFOs and More!:

http://truthtellersradio.blogspot.com/2019/07/ttr-episode-28-jm-talboo-larry-pinkney.html

Operation Gladio was a false-flag terror program set up by the CIA and NATO. Although Gladio was eventually exposed, it was not just a single event, but an ongoing operation that remained secret for decades, in which hundreds of innocent people were killed and injured in terrorist attacks that were blamed on other groups. Many people believe the program is still operational.

33 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true.

42 admitted false flag attacks.

Responses to 'The truth is rushing out there: why conspiracy theories spread faster than ever':

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2016/01/responses-to-truth-is-rushing-out-there.html

Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.html

Externally Reviewed Open Source (NIST WTC 7 Report Was Neither) University Study Lead by Civil Engineering Professor: Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11 - All its supporting columns needed to give way at the same time to cause the observed collapse:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/fire-did-not-cause-3rd-towers-collapse.html

Are there more problems with the UAF/Hulsey/AE911Truth WTC7 Draft Report or the NIST WTC 7 Report? You Decide...

https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/are-there-more-problems-with.html
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67 points·1 year ago·edited 1 year ago
I've dissected the official N.I.S.T. report and shared my thoughts for years. I find the report to be 
unscientific and invalid.
  1. N.I.S.T. omitted stiffeners in their analysis
  2. N.I.S.T. omitted shear studs in their analysis
  3. N.I.S.T. omitted steel-plates in their analysis
Their entire collapse theory is based upon models which omitted these crucial elements. 
The worst part is N.I.S.T. refuses to release their finite element model data for peer review:
http://cryptome.org/nist070709.pdf
No one can verify their findings. This makes their entire conclusion invalid. That's why the U.A.F. 
and the civil engineering department created their own FEA. The U.A.F. model data will be open 
to the public once they're complete, making it infinitely more trustworthy.
A former NIST employee of 14 years made his first public appearance this year speaking out 
against the official report with forensic engineer Dr. Leroy Hulsey from UAF:
NIST should openly share all evidence, data, models, computations, and other relevant information

unless specific and compelling reasons are otherwise provided.
—Peter Ketcham, NIST 1997-2011
Peer review is Science 101.
Release all the model data.

Debunking Mick West on Hulsey WTC 7 Report - NIST vs. Reality vs. Hulsey:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/debunking-mick-west-on-hulsey-wtc-7.html

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Tribute Page:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2014/03/firefighters-for-911-truth-tribute-page.html

Waiting for Seven: WTC 7 Collapse Warnings in the FDNY Oral Histories

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200701/MacQueenWaitingforSeven.pdf

Debunking 9/11 Debunking: On WTC’s Design to Withstand 707 Impact:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2013/03/debunking-911-debunking-on-wtcs-design.html

Debunking Popular Mechanics on Fireproofing:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-by-ae911truth/debunking-the-real-9-11-myths/488-debunking-the-real-9-11-myths-part2

They REALLY oughta know better - Critiques of claims made by several prominent and semi-prominent 9/11 debunkers:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2017/01/plasco-building-collapse-tehran-iran.html

Part 4: Puffs of Dust:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-by-ae911truth/debunking-the-real-9-11-myths/490-debunking-the-real-9-11-myths-part4

FAQ #3: What caused the isolated high-speed ejections of pulverized dust and debris from the Twin Towers?:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/355-faq-3-what-caused-the-isolated-high-speed-ejections-of-pulverized-dust-and-debris-from-the-twin-towers

FAQ #8: Why weren’t the sounds that were heard during the WTC destruction as loud as blasts heard in videos of known controlled demolitions?:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/354-faq-8-why-weren-t-the-sounds-that-were-heard-during-the-wtc-destruction-as-loud-as-blasts-heard-in-videos-of-known-controlled-demolitions

This blog has debunked the talking point that the sound levels on 9/11 were not consistent with the use of explosives here, here, here, and here. Physicist David Chandler has also weighed in on the issue.

FAQ #14: Why does AE911Truth represent only a small percentage of architects and engineers?:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/356-faq-14-why-does-ae911truth-represent-only-a-small-percentage-of-architects-and-engineers

Molten Metal:

The Un-Debunkable Molten Metal - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/.../undebunkable-molten-metal.html
Nov 11, 2008 ... In response to the numerous reports of molten metal under ground zero, defenders of the official version of 9/11 have tried to argue that it was ...
Proof That Leslie Robertson Saw Molten Steel at Ground Zero
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../proof-that-leslie-robertson-saw-molten.html
Mar 19, 2011 ... Sites like 911Myths.com and others have claimed that Leslie Robertson, one of the original WTC structural engineers, never saw molten steel ...
Debunking Molten Aluminium Flow From ... - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../debunking-molten-aluminium-flow-from. html
Feb 12, 2009 ... Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the ...
Molten Steel in the Rubble of the World ... - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../molten-steel-in-rubble-of-world-trade.html
May 26, 2010 ... The picture here shows superheated Molten Steel being pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Centre buildings weeks after the collapses.
9/11 Truth Debunking 911myths.com WTC Molten Steel Web Page
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../911-truth-debunking-911mythscom-wtc.html
Oct 13, 2013 ... 9/11 Truth Debunking 911myths.com WTC Molten Steel does not include USGS molten spheres. Dr. Richard J. Lee Recounts RJ Lee Group's ...
9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert ... - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../911-theories-expert-vs-expert-aluminum.html
Nov 2, 2011 ... Seems the establishment needs a new theory to explain the volumes of molten metal seen and hundreds and hundreds of explosions heard.
December 2015 - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/2015/12/
Dec 30, 2015 ... In a nutshell, what it means is that the molten metal found at the WTC, for which there is a great deal of evidence, cannot be explained by the ...
Debunker Debunked: Blacksmith Unwittingly Proves Controlled ...
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../debunker-debunked-blacksmith.html
Dec 26, 2015 ... Tye's sixth-grade-level demonstration that structural steel loses strength at 1,800° F does nothing to address the presence of molten metal at ...
Rebuttal to Myles Power - Molten ... - Debunking the Debunkers
911debunkers.blogspot.com/.../rebuttal-to-myles-power-molten-aluminum. html
Jan 16, 2013 ... Debunking Molten Aluminum Flow from South Tower: ... Labels: 911 molten metal, molten aluminum is silver, myles power. Adam Taylor.

Plasco Building collapse - Tehran, Iran - January 19, 2017

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2017/01/plasco-building-collapse-tehran-iran.html

Note the squibs in this collapse are actually smoke or puff like as claimed by debunkers for the Twin Towers, as opposed to the heavy crushed building material look of the WTC Tower collapses. Some acknowledged demolitions only have this streamer or puffed smoke look as well, so it really means knothing either way in these cases. Whatever the mechanism, the Twin Towers were explosive in nature as opposed to classic implosions and the squibs were very distinctive in their thickness, speed, and distance from the collapse wave and thus suggestive of demolition.

The CIA Didn't Literally Invent the Term 'Conspiracy Theorist' But THEY ARE Responsible for the Connotation:

https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-cia-didnt-literally-invent-term.html

Proof of a JFK Assassination Plot Without Debating a Magic Bullet:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2014/11/proof-of-jfk-assassination-plot-without.html

JFK Files: Foreknowledge Warning to Media, 2nd Shooter Evidence, CIA Plan to Bomb US Cities

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2017/10/jfk-files-foreknowledge-warning-to.html

More JFK Files Revelations: CIA Employed 40 Journalists, KGB In Possession of Data Indicating LBJ Killed JFK - LBJ Admin Official: 'We Can Convince the Public Oswald is the Real Assassin' - FBI Informant: J.D Tippit was the REAL Assassin:

http://trumpisright.blogspot.com/2017/10/more-jfk-files-revelations-cia-employed.html

Parkland: 3 Witnesses; Multiple Shooters; Bulletproof Armour - Student Cristina Vega, Teacher Stacey Lippel, and former student, Alexa Miednik interviewed by various MSM outlets. - David Hogg Trouble with His Lines, Being Coached:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/04/parkland-3-witnesses-multiple-shooters.html

Alex Jones in the News Again for Sandy Hook Lawsuits - What Exactly Did He Say FOR REAL NO SPIN and Why is Free Speech Never Brought Up? - Jones Has Been Targeted for What He Gets Right Not Something He May Have Got Wrong:

https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2020/05/911debunkersblogspotcom-censored-via.html

Cruz Demeanor In Court, MKULTRA? 'Voices' Prompted Massacre - 3 Witnesses: Multiple Shooters, 'Shots Were Coming from Other Part of Building' from Where She Was WALKING with Cruz - 'I Was Surprised You Weren't the One Who Did It' 'Obviously, Definitely, Another Shooter Involved' - ‘Active Shooter Drill’ Hours Before, Secret Service Changed Safety Protocol Weeks Before:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2018/02/nikolas-cruz-in-court-looking-like.html

Strange things about what happened in Las Vegas - Acoustical Evidence of Two Vegas Shooters - Echo and Second Vantage Point Arguments Debunked:

http://truthtellersradio.blogspot.com/2017/10/strange-things-about-what-happened-in.html

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Government Admits Geo-Engineering Weather-Controlling Projects Are Live?:

https://mindtreasury.blogspot.com/2019/09/government-admits-geo-engineering.html
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