Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Conspiracies - 9/11 and The New World Order

The following is very balanced commentary overall, although I could do without the cynicism. The other thing to consider is that the 9/11 truth movement doesn't need "debunkers" to point out our mistakes, or times when we have let speculation run rampant, etc. Being the truth seekers that we are, we do that just fine ourselves.

Thoughtful and balanced debate devoid of ad hominem attacks is a welcome thing to the vast majority of 9/11 truth seekers, sadly this is far from the MO of the "9/11 debunking" community as a whole, to say the very least.

pfarabee
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March 24, 2009



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Tuesday, March 24, 2009

Interview With the Staff of GateCreepers.com


John-Michael Talboo (JMT)-Q:

GateCreepers.com is a collection of original articles devoted to debunking myths on conspiracy theories, exposing propaganda techniques of the mainstream media and government, exploring concepts such as the hive mind, and other such topics which dumb down the population and keep us in servitude. The site is also devoted to debunking the debunkers of several specific topics including 9/11 and the JFK assassination, our brother from another mother so to speak!

I have found that when debating people on the subject of government complicity in 9/11 they very often seem to be referring to one of the 48 myths about conspiracy theories discussed in your article, Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories, almost as if it was their playbook. This of course makes it a very good debating tool, as you can just say, well thanks for bringing up debunked myth #16 about conspiracy theories, next. An example of this can be found in the comments of a short post I put together for this blog in which I questioned whether Noam Chomsky had indeed dispelled 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic. I would hazard a guess that type of result brings a smile to your writing team.

Did that article, or the site in general come about due to seeing these tired, often media propagated, talking points being parroted during personal debates? If not, how did it come about?

GateCreepers-A:

Yes, the very fact that people are referring to those myths as if it were their playbook is the main reason why we wrote this article. We found that writers of hit pieces kept using the same arguments over and over again in an almost formulaic way. This is probably not a coincidence either, as one of the declassified documents we found on Namebase and reproduced for our readers' benefit was a CIA memo that gave many of those said talking points in response to skepticism of the Warren Commission report. We came across those talking points in media hit pieces, but forum debates inspired us even more to do this as we experienced first hand the frustration of having those hackneyed points repeated to us.

We found particularly tiresome how many of those debunkers claim an intellectual high ground based on skepticism and critical thought. The fact that those points are still repeated uncritically today by self-appointed 'debunkers' shows how little substance there is behind their claims, and we find it particularly odd how those people never focus their skepticism on government lies. In a way, we consider our Myths article as well as our website as an intellectual case for conspiracism in general and as filling this void of skepticism towards the government.

Finally, we admire the works of Alex Jones and many other truth activists who are unfairly ridiculed by the media, and we consider this our tribute to their efforts. We felt that the clarity and resounding truth of their arguments needed to be generalised to challenge the broader philosophical points of the debate.

JMT-Q:
The fact that the CIA suggested many of those talking points in response to skepticism of the Warren Commission report is very interesting in light of the many parallels between the JFK Assassination & 9/11. During an appearance on the Alex Jones show, Jim Marrs who wrote the book Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, which was the basis for the Oliver Stone film
JFK, pointed many of these out, stating:

If the purpose of the masterminds behind the 9/11 attacks was to curtail American freedom, centralize more power in the federal government, and set back the social agenda of the United States in favor of an open-ended military intelligence build-up, then they succeeded admirably. To many people such as myself it all had a familiar ring to it. In many ways the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks fits the same template as that of the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963, and here's how...

Within hours, despite a lack of real evidence, one man was blamed for the event, along with hints that he was connected to foreign enemies.

Official pronouncements were widely publicized only to be later admitted to be errors.

Although within the jurisdiction of the local authorities the entire case was usurped by federal agencies, particularly FEMA and the FBI, the CIA, all agencies under the control of a president who benefited from the tragedy. A group of specialists, medical in the JFK's case, and some engineers in that of the WTC, were convened, but limited in what they could view and study, and blocked from conducting an objective probe by federal officials.

Evidence in both cases was hastily removed and destroyed forever lost to a impartial and meaningful investigation.
And he continues with more points including how both events culminated in foreign wars, which we all know were based on lies, the staged Golf of Tonkin incident in the case of Vietnam, and lies about WMD and other things concerning Iraq. Also mentioned was the fact that JFK assassination critics, just like 9/11 critics, were largely labeled conspiracy theorists and called unpatriotic. Peter Dale Scott has also written a piece in the Journal of 911 Studies entitled "9/11, JFK, and War: Recurring Patterns in America's Deep Events."

What do you think of the parallels between these events? How do they connect to the CIA talking point memo obtained through the FOIA? What Lessons can we learn from the JFK Truth Movement?

GateCreepers-A:
As we analyse it, the most striking parallel between 9/11 and the JFK assassination is how the establishment went out of its way to discredit any non-sanctioned version of the events. Yet, many other historical events are reinterpreted by historians without them being called names or risking their reputation; even in most cases where it's damaging to the American image they are simply ignored. We noted in our Myths article that the term 'conspiracy theory' was popularised by the American media following widespread doubts about the JFK assassination. The equivalent in foreign languages for that invented concept with all its connotations are usually direct translations or slight variations.

COINTELPRO was a notable program that was going on during, before and after the Kennedy administration, to counter the Civil Rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War at the time. One tactic they used was to plant anti-white colouring books and attribute them to the Black Panthers. As you're probably aware, many in the 9/11 Truth Movement and the Anti-War movement suspect that those activities are still going on. Primary infiltrator suspects are those who endorse dodgy theories based on untenable evidence, but even more so the ones who engage in disruptive behaviour and try to divide the movement by spreading doubt by accusing other activists of doing those same things.

Operation Mockingbird was / is another CIA operation that started in the 50s, where they infiltrated all the major media outlets. At the same time, another CIA memo hosted on our site, found on cia-on-campus.org, reveals that they wanted to 'improve' relations with academia. As with COINTELPRO and Guantanamo, both operations are claimed to have been put to an end. Yet, the hit pieces that are regularly published through both mainstream and 'alternative' outlets with those talking points are a testimony of the fact that those activities are ongoing. In fact, many so-called 'alternative' publications, often the same ones that publish anti-9/11 Truth propaganda, are known as Gatekeepers (from which our name derives) and have connections with organisations like the Ford Foundation, and receive CIA funding, directly or indirectly. Regarding academics, it is remarkable that Noam Chomsky endorses both the official story of 9/11 and that of JFK's assassination.

As recently as 2005, the 'false news' scandal broke out. The Pentagon openly announced that it would conduct information warfare on the internet, and the USAF has a PR guide on how to deal with bloggers. It was even revealed that foreign media is being manufactured by the US government, under the guise of competing with other foreign media, but probably also because they know that many Americans no longer trust their own domestic media. This has led to many activists raising questions about the motives of the anti-truth internet trolls.

The fact that COINTELPRO started in 1953 and hadn't stopped during the Kennedy administration indicates that they probably won't stop with the new Obama administration either, in spite of his claims that he would shut down Guantanamo. Similarly, Operation Mockingbird in all likelyhood never stopped and will continue during Obama's reign.

The fact that those parallels exist in the first place suggests that the perpetrators have used the same modus operandi for both events. Inevitably, this would result in them using the same methods to conduct the media cover-up. The difference between 9/11 and JFK, however, is that we now have the internet at our disposal to counter the propaganda. Although media concentration was less severe at the time, the internet has a far greater reach than the rogue elements of the media at the time. Their response has been government-sponsored trolling, and attempts to discredit the internet itself. Those tactics will ultimately fail in the face of the large numbers of truthers who are wise to those tactics and will counter them wherever they can be found. As evidence of this, you can already see overwhelmingly negative responses to hit pieces in the comments sections of both mainstream and 'alternative' publications. Discrediting the internet will not be effective forever as more and more people get exposed to it and stop believing the rumours.

We believe that what needs to be addressed next is the way of thinking itself that has been instilled into people. Currently, the movement mostly focuses on the by-products of this mentality, namely by debunking government lies and false flag operations. But the public mind itself has been moulded by several ways, from the media to the public school system. The anti-conspiracy mentality is part of this mindset. People have been conditioned to dismiss every kind of evidence except a narrow subset which conveniently corresponds to whatever the media feeds the masses. For many people, only the mainstream media and the government itself qualify as 'reliable' sources; this is especially true of people incapable of critically analysis, and would rather just believe a source they consider 'safe'. This kind of mindset for example leads people to automatically reject JFK Truth as 'unreliable' because it's in what they would call 'conspiracy books' rather than on the news.

JMT-Q:

The type of things you have pointed out have actually shaped the comment policy on this blog. As blog contributor Mark E. Smith has pointed out:

The facts speak for themselves and it is because the facts are irrefutable that debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks, criticizing the Truthers because they cannot refute the truth.

The same thing happened with the JFK assassination. For many years, anyone who insisted that it wasn't just a lone nut, was dismissed as a loony conspiracy theorist. When a subsequent investigation found that there had been more than one shooter, no apologizes were issued for all the smears that researchers had previously endured. The smears and insults had served their purpose in stigmatizing researchers and hiding the truth from the public. This should not be allowed to happen again.
The problem with the subsequent investigation he mentions is that they didn't pinpoint the extent of the conspiracy, and only years later did the lead counsel conclude that the CIA wasn't being cooperative and forthcoming with the investigation.

So you can see why even this can be viewed as a whitewash, in that while it acknowledges the conspiracy, it then downplays it and still only pinpoints the blame on Oswald.

What steps do you think can be taken to ensure that a new US investigation will not just be another whitewash, or semi-whitewash?

GateCreepers-A:

Our solution is simple. We need to ensure that prominent 9/11 Truth researchers are part of the investigation and are the ones who ask the questions. The usual whitewash tactic is to conduct so-called 'bipartisan' investigations, which essentially means that they pick their enablers from both the Republican and the Democratic Party. As a movement we will have to make clear that we will not accept the results of the investigation unless it is conducted with full transparency and people are held accountable, even if our/their theories are partly or fully vindicated. Continuous, relentless demonstrations would be appropriate, and should escalate pressure (whilst remaining peaceful) in the event of any suspected bias or prevarication. Every time a question is avoided or improperly investigated, protesters should fill the streets with signposts chanting the question out loud and demanding a real answer.

JMT-Q:

Switching gears a bit, what are your thoughts on those in this movement that focus most of their attention on a perceived Zionist connection to 9/11? Of course, pointing out evidence of Israel intelligence foreknowledge and possible involvement is one thing, but this in no way automatically translates to Zionism. That being said, religious ideology of any stripe can be a dangerous thing when people take it too far. The point can also be made that George Bush's interpretation of Christianity helped shape his deplorable foreign policy, and in all the speculation that perhaps he was involved in 9/11, I have never seen anyone say that the Christians carried out 9/11.

This issue also seems to be used against prominent truth activists like Alex Jones, who all in one breath are accused of being both anti-Jewish and pro-Zionist. What do you make of things like this, and how can we deal with and debate these sensitive issues?

GateCreepers-A:

Zionism is a nationalistic ideology that has little to do with religion, other than its founders having cynically used the Jewish religion to justify their agenda. There is a damning article about this, unfortunately in French, by a Jewish peace movement, which explains how the Zionist founders actually wanted to kill the Jewish diaspora and its culture to replace it by an artificial Israeli culture. They explained in detail how they created myths and taught them as historical facts until they were recently questioned (the Exodus for example), and how they suppressed Yiddish and other languages and recreated Hebrew, which was a dead language like Latin, to replace it.

That said, although evidence shows Israeli involvement in the false flag operation, it doesn't point to 9/11 having been commissioned by Israel. We acknowledge that Israel stood to gain from 9/11, (Netanyahu was quoted to that effect), and that many of the suspects such as Zelikow are avowed Zionists. But that doesn't automatically translate to 9/11 being a Jewish, or even a Zionist conspiracy. Simply acknowledging this from currently available evidence doesn't make one an Israeli apologist, anymore than suggesting an Israeli connection to 9/11 is anti-semitic.

Those attempts to portray Alex Jones as a CIA disinfo agent, or a Jesuit, or a covert Zionist, or a white supremacist are based on connections that are at best tenuous, such as his wife being Jewish or his show being on GCN, which in turn uses ABC's airwaves, or a rant made by William Cooper almost 10 years ago, or even just the fact that Alex Jones is allowed to speak on air. The role of COINTELPRO is not just to feed disinformation or only revealing part of it, but also to sow doubt within the movement to divide it. Perhaps the ones who are deserving of suspicion are the ones who are the most eager to denounce fellow patriots rather than the actual criminals.
One of the core issues that makes our movement easy to divide is that it's a broad coalition, and as a result many tend to bring their own agendas into it. Many Christians for example want to bring religion into the debate, so they denounce 'secularism' and call for 'going back to Christianity'. Others see multuralism as an evil, so they promote white nationalism or forcible assimilation. We're not saying that the elites aren't trying to suppress religion or to use immigration to divide and conquer, but those agendas dilute our goals as well as our credibility.

Others want a particular group to be the central focus and claim that they are the 'top' elites, be it Zionists, Freemasons, Jesuits, Socialists, and so on. All of those have a role to play and should be investigated, The problem is when one can be accused of being disinfo simply for not accepting any of those groups as the 'main' evil. And of course, simply being Jewish or a Catholic does not make one a Zionist or an elitist.

Realistically, no one can investigate every group of the NWO. Like us they are a broad coalition, the main difference being that they are a pyramidal hierarchy and we are a grassroots movement. We need both 'bigger picture' researchers as well as focussed researchers.

Alex Jones partly addresses this by interviewing other people and encouraging his listeners to do their own investigations and look at other sources. Once in a while he denounces Israel, but that is still not enough for his detractors.

JMT-Q:

To wrap up, please tell the readers what actions you think are imperative that they take, and please also give them a heads up on any forthcoming projects to be looking out for from GateCreepers. Thanks for the interview, it's been an absolute pleasure.

GateCreepers-A:

We believe that the actions currently being taken by the 9/11 Truth Movement are the right ones and can't think of anything to add beyond the current consensus or what we have already said. Essentially, do nothing to give the elites an excuse to crack down on demonstrations, and try to pursue the truth while avoiding diversionary and divisive agendas. As for Gatecreepers, we would rather not comment on future projects, but we will make announcements whenever we come up with anything new.

JMT:

Well I for one will stay tuned.

Ultimate Undebunkable 9/11 Truth Crash Course

Demolishing the official story of the collapse of the three WTC buildings in 8 and a half minutes. I spent two whole days on this video ... I tried to make it as undebunkable as possible.

Monday, March 23, 2009

Woman pleads with CSPAN to investigate 911 truth and government involvement

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March 20, 2009
dtmbcorp
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Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Debunking Glenn Beck & Anti Ron Paul Propaganda

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Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Some thoughts on 9/11, debunkers, truthers, etc.

Scroll down past the "video" for commentary...



One thing that is great about the internet is that it gives the average man a voice, and therefore a chance to break the corporate stranglehold on the media, but it is also a double-edged sword. Uninformed and not so well thought out opinions are just as bad, or worse, when they come from citizen journalists.

From the Video..

"Alex Jones, the guy is a nut."

Reply...

This opinion is not really expanded upon, so the best defense for Jones I can offer is to point out that this is simply an ad hominem attack, and to note his achievements, and praise...

"This guy is a national treasure, a light breaking through the electronic Berlin Wall of the US media establishment."
- BBC Reporter Greg Palast


"Alex Jones is a true patriot, a genuine hero." - Actor/Director Charlie Sheen

Also noteworthy is that he admits he has only watched a small section of one of Alex's videos.

From the Video...

"Let's just say the government did it OK? Here is the problem, truthers are never going to prove it, because it's been how long, that's right, 8 years! I doubt all of the sudden they are going to find the evidence that they supposedly haven't found yet."

Reply...

First off, the government just released it's draft report on WTC 7 in August of 2008, so obviously this is an ongoing issue!

And contrary to what the person who put this "video" together thinks, there is still ongoing research by truthers that involves new evidence...

Nanothermites and WTC Dust

Finally, there is also something to be said for people having knowledge, despite anything that happens in an official sense, I'm a sucker for the truth of an adage. Knowledge = Power. How do we know another 9/11 hasn't already been averted? As is pointed out in the book 9/11 Synthetic Terror - Made in the USA by Webster Griffin Tarpley (Note: I don't agree with all of his conclusions, or past allegations against other activists)...

"The open secret about drills is that they often hide the real thing."...

"Activists soon discovered Sudden Response 05, based on a 10-kiloton nuclear explosion in the harbor of Charleston, South Carolina. The websites mentioned (http://team8plus.org/ http://total411.info/) raised such a hue and cry about this drill, forcing an article in the main local newspaper trying to calm worried people down. The exposure worked well enough to cause the drill to be shut down before its completion. This was followed by a terror drill involving explosions in San Francisco Bay: a strange blast in the financial district at the end of this drill sent a woman to the hospital in critical condition. Then cam Granite Shadow/Power Geyser in Washington DC, with weapons of mass destruction and overtones of a military coup. All of these exercises were made more sinister by the shift of the official US strategic nuclear posture from deterrence and retaliation to global strike, meaning nuclear sneak attack, under CONPLAN 8022-22."

From the Video...

"Let's just drop this debate and move on to something more important because there's a lot more shit going on around the world that needs to have our attention now. We gotta move on."

Reply...

Well I for one can chew gum, rub my stomach, and pat my head at the same time. Furthermore, I think that anyone who makes such a statement hasn't thought the issue through. The implications of 9/11 being an inside job are massively important when we live in a post-9/11 world. Suggested reading...

Why We Need a New Investigation of 9/11 NOW!

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Monday, March 16, 2009

911 Truth on PBS

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LoneLantern
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March 12, 2009

http://www.colorado911visibility.org On March 5th 2009 the local PBS station, KBDI, in Denver Colorado broadcast the groundbreaking expose, America: Freedom To Fascism to raise funds for the station. They invited volunteers from Colorado 911 Visibility to run the phone bank. In this clip Earl Staelin is interviewed about the points of that day in September that we still don't have answers for.

To support KBDI please consider making a pledge so they can continue broadcasting the message to truth to the American people.

1-800-690-5234 or http://kbdi.org

IF YOU CANNOT make a pledge please call them and thank them for their support of our message.

This blog entry is also posted at SpookyWeather.blogspot.com.

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Friday, March 13, 2009

Debunking Ryan Mackay "no flashes"

On Debunking 9/11 Debunking. Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin's Latest Criticism of the NIST World Trade Center Investigation

"Had explosives been used to disintegrate the upper block at this juncture, however, we would expect to see and hear visible evidence of their use, including shock waves, shrapnel, and possibly bright flashes. Explosives large enough to instantaneously pulverize 25,000 tons or more of structure would be difficult to mistake. This speculation of Dr. Jones is totally unsupported and of little value." - p.56 - Ryan mackay
Here, Mackey makes multiple false assumptions, including:

That all high explosives have a bright flash. Some conventional explosives don't, and a thermobaric explosive using hydrogen detonates with a flash that's invisible in daylight.

That there is no evidence of flashes. In fact, small flashes are visible in the South Tower destruction, and there a number of specific credible reports of flashes in the oral histories of emergency responders. - Maintaining the Mirage: A Foray Into the Fallacy Factory of the Demolition Deniers - A critique of Ryan Mackey's essay: "On Debunking 9/11 Debunking: Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin's Latest Criticism of the NIST World Trade Center Investigation" by Jim Hoffman
What I purpose for this post is a collection of all videos that contain flashes. I have been collecting many, but I keep finding more and I hope other members can contribute. I suggest different categories for different flashes videos. For example.

-The same flashes seen from different angles.
- Flashes before collapse.
-Flashes during collapse South Tower
-Flashes during collapse North Tower etc.

So I will start with Flashes before collapse.

Flashes Before Collapse - Lower Floors Flashes During Plane Hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPKZn6dQus

Upper Floors Plane Hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATeYuY__kNk

Multiple Shots of Same Flashes - North Tower Before Collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i06Aetq0K78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MS858Ligjs

North Tower Pre-Collapse Flashes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYk9Hdbeyu0

Bob and Bri Flashes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2etJHvV0s0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJCUJIyxJcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y24_hSFRM3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD-fzb_vbEk

Flashes Compilations Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PN-8T2VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elYw7MHf7GQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUhyS7i7TnI

South Tower Diagonal Cutter Charge

Note how the direction of the flashes is the direction of the tower tilt phenomenon, obviously to avoid it hitting the north tower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sRi5stG10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdO9U_IhJNU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KNAD72PYVM

North Tower Flashes During Collapse Zoomed in and Slowed Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913Am7ZScVM

Compilation of Different Shots of Collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhpcHdh0zOQ

South Tower Flashes During Collapse

WTC 2 Explosive Flash Anomaly Recorded During Collapse Onset

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA

I'm sure there are many more please add others if you can.

Thursday, March 12, 2009

Bush Aides Continue to Defend George Bush's Legacy and Link Iraq to 9/11





Take notice of how Ari Fleischer makes the argument that the August 6, 2001 presidential daily briefing entitled Bin Laden determined to strike in US was "vague," and didn't say where the attack would take place. This is a tactic 9/11 "debunkers" also use, pointing out that the information was historical in nature. Let's take a look at an excerpt that disagrees:

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

Is it just me or do you also interpret the above to be talking about non-historical information that suggests not just "preparations for hijackings," but targets in New York too? The answer to that depends on if you're a former Bush minion or a 9/11 "debunker" I guess.

Now combine this with other information that Chris Matthews SHOULD be pointing out, and we start to get a clearer picture of the situation...

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Targets

Rockefeller Predicted "Event" To Trigger War Eleven Months Before 9/11 - Hollywood director Russo recalls remarkable "forecast" of coming attack

Not to mention the massive amount of other mainstream news reports concerning ignored warnings.

Here is what Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog had to say about the points I raised in this post and my reply.

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

David Ray Griffin to speak on 9/11 at Boston Univ., April 11, 2009

BostonTruth
YouTube.com
March 11, 2009

Theologian and 9/11 researcher David Ray Griffin will speak at Boston University's Morse Auditorium, 602 Commonwealth Ave, at 7pm on Saturday, April 11, 2009. $5 donation (students/seniors free). The event is co-sponsored by the Boston University School of Theology and the Boston 9/11 Truth Committee. The title of Dr. Griffin's presentation will be, "9/11: Time to take a Second Look."

David Ray Griffin is Professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology, Emeritus, Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University in Claremont, California, where he remains a co-director of the Center for Process Studies.

He has published (as author or editor) 34 books, primarily in theology, philosophy, and philosophy of religion, with special emphases on the problem of evil and the relation between science and religion.

Seven of his books deal with 9/11: The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 (2004), The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (2005), Christian Faith and the Truth about 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action (2006), 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (2006, co-edited with Peter Dale Scott), Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory (2007), and 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press, and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: 9/11, the Cover-Up, and the Exposé (2008).

His 9/11 books have been endorsed by Michael Chossudovsky, William Sloane Coffin, Harvey Cox, Richard Falk, Catherine Austin Fitts, David Griscom, Jim Hightower, British MP Michael Meacher, Mark Crispin Miller, Rosemary Ruether, Marcus Raskin, Paul Craig Roberts, Peter Dale Scott, Gerry Spence, Lorie Van Auken, Howard Zinn, and former CIA officials Robert Baer, Bill Christison, and Ray McGovern.

Four of these books have been given special recognition: The New Pearl Harbor and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and DistortionS received the 2006 Helios Foundation Award for 2006. Debunking 9/11 Debunking was a Bronze Medal Winner in the 2008 Independent Publisher Book Awards. The New Pearl Harbor Revisited was named a Pick of the Week in 2008 by Publishers Weekly.

His essays and interviews about 9/11 have appeared in such disparate publications as Zions Herald, Hustler Magazine, Global Outlook, LA Times Magazine, Conversations in Religion and Theology, Penthouse Netherlands, Whole Earth Times, Tikkun, and Le Monde Diplomatique.

He has also been featured on The Richard & Judy Show (London), C-Span (twice), ABC News Radio, Tucker on MSNBC, CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation), the BBCs Heaven and Earth, and over 400 radio talk-shows, including Democracy Now! Many videos of his talks and interviews are available on the Internet.

Monday, March 9, 2009

WeAreChange Indy - 9/11 Truth Street Action part 2

http://www.wacindy.webs.com
WeAreChange Indy downtown Indianapolis March 7, 2009. Interviews with members Andy, Mark, and John on Monument Circle. WACIndy
http://www.wearechange.org



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Sunday, March 8, 2009

WeAreChange Indy - 9/11 Truth Street Action

http://www.wacindy.webs.com WeAreChange Indy downtown Indianapolis March 7, 2009 Street Action 9/11 Truth handing out information and talking to people on Monument Circle. WACIndy http://www.wearechange.org

This is yours truly doing these interviews with people on the street, and we didn't cherry pick here either, everyone we talked to with the exception of the man on the bike were receptive. The camera informed me I need to drop a few pounds, so in the meantime, get out there and get active. ;) ...9/11 Truth Now!



I misspoke when I mention fires in the last hundred years, it is really the last 50 years, and it is said by some that there are over 100 examples. Either way, the point is that Other Skyscraper Fires Have Never Caused Them to Collapse.

And of course the unanswered questions of the 9/11 family members are a separate issue, not a side issue!

This video is also posted at JonesReport.com, WeAreChange.org, and 911visibility.com.

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Friday, March 6, 2009

POLITICAL LEADERS FOR 9/11 TRUTH LAUNCHED

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

March 6, 2009

Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth (pl911truth.com) is today being launched as the latest formal group calling for a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. The organization is headed by Councilor (Senator) Yukihisa Fujita of Japan and former Senator Karen Johnson of Arizona.

This initiative is formed around a petition asking President Obama "to authorize a new, truly independent, investigation to determine what happened on 9/11."

Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth thus joins other concerned citizens’ groups calling for a new investigation, including Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, and Veterans for 9/11 Truth.

Independent researchers from these professions have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that the official investigations have been cover-up operations.

Senator Yukihisa Fujita explains the new initiative: "Thus far there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or in other capitals around the world. Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth has been formed to encourage such a response."

The organization is being launched with 20 charter members, including a former US governor, a former US senator, former US representatives, and former and present members of the British, German, Japanese, Norwegian, and European parliaments.

Charter member Robert Bowman, former head of the "Star Wars" program, explains the continuing relevance of the issue: "The 9/11 Tragedy has been used as the excuse for two deadly wars of aggression, for taking away our rights, and for committing war crimes that have undermined America’s reputation. Only by exposing the truth about 9/11 can we end this madness."

Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth invites other people who hold, or have held, a political office---whether elected or appointed, whether municipal, state, provincial, national, or international--- to sign the petition at pl911truth.com.

Senator Johnson sums it up: "The organization believes that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed."

Contact:

Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth
pl911truth.com

Wednesday, March 4, 2009

WTC7 - You Can't Have It Both Ways!

Hi, I'm Scootle and this is my first post here. Debunkers like to point out that WTC7 recieved alot of damage to its south face from the WTC1's collapse, which is supposedly what started the so called "raging inferno". However, as this video shows, the north tower did not simply "peel open" as Debunking911 puts it, it launched large pieces debris at it at speeds of over 50mph!

Yet the debunkers also like to claim that the rapid horizontal ejections from the towers were not that fast and the steel pieces were not that big. You can't have it both ways. Either wtc7 wasn't so heavily damaged, or the north tower exploded.

9/11 - Debunking the Debunkers - Exploding Primer Paint?

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Tuesday, March 3, 2009

David Slesinger Interviews Howard Zinn About the 9/11 Truth Movement

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Tuesday, March 3, 2009
911courage.blogspot.com

For me the significance of this video includes:

1. Zinn is willing to support a place at the table for 9/11 truth advocates. He stated that as long as the conference has at least 22 presenters that we should be allowed to speak. Please contact me if you want to help make a list of such conferences and lobby for inclusion of our speakers. Big time left gatekeepers are likely to be less open minded than grassroots followers who would have no apologies to make. That is why we would go to these conferences.

2. Zinn asserts our case is too complicated. I urge us to discuss what single pieces of evidence standing alone are each sufficient to move us beyond whatever threshold we are seeking (real investigation, convictions, etc.)

3. All leftists should be susceptible to the argument that proof of inside job should undercut racist stereotypes of Muslim terrorists.

4. We should be able to find other major leftists who would agree to the importance of looking not just at civil liberties, but also resisting full blown police state with martial law. Truthers, leftists, and conservatives should be able to agree to work in coalition on this issue without getting bogged down in their disagreements." - David Slesinger



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“Considering how the 9/11 tragedy has been used by the Bush administration to propel us into immoral wars again and again, I believe that David Ray Griffin's provocative questions about 9/11 deserve to be investigated and addressed.” - Howard Zinn, author of A People’s History of the United States

Howard Zinn: 9/11 Truth Is For “Fanatics”, Has “No Practical Political Significance”

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The Alex Jones Show - L I V E - Sept. 17th: The Strange Death of Barry Jennings

David Slesinger's talk in Dr King’s home town of Atlanta at the US Social Forum in June of 2007 entitled, “Nonviolent resistance in the US can be practiced with greater strength”

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