Showing posts with label free speech. Show all posts
Showing posts with label free speech. Show all posts

Saturday, May 28, 2011

Pat Curley Bans Free Speech

Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog writes:
Okay, the chorus of voices demanding that I ban Brian Good from posting here has gotten rather deafening. At the same time, we are proud of our reputation as one of the few places that both sides can post their arguments. You can't do that at 9-11 Flogger or Debunking the Debunkers.

So here's the deal. I will delete any comments from Brian that do not pertain to the subject matter of the actual post. If he starts nattering about how 91% of the widows' questions weren't answered, that comment goes down the memory hole unless the post in question is about those questions.
In the past Pat has went so far as to state that the Debunking the Debunkers blog doesn't "care for free speech." Funny, I don't recall starting a campaign trying to get his blog removed from the internet.

I used to have a clearly stated policy on the blog and my YouTube channel of not allowing the use of ad hominems. This is akin to the "semi-ban" that Pat is now exercising with Brian Good. What ended up happening, however, is that this policy resulted in a very high percentage of "debunker" comments not being allowed anyway and thus was a waste of everbody's time. When "debunker" comments were free of ad homs they often brought up things that we have addressed before. Hence, this statement that now sits permanently at the top of the blog.
Sorry, we no longer allow comments, but feel free to contact us here if you have a point of contention or some kind words you would like to share. Ad hominems will be ignored, but well-formed rebuttals may be addressed (and that is a subjective matter) provided we have not refuted the points therein numerous times on this blog already.
One cordial exchange to come of this was my debate with with Larry Silverstein's friend Andrew G. Benjamin, I still ended up digging up a lot of old material, but he had some interesting things to say.

But apprenly this isn't good enough, because on the internet many people think they are entitled to have their two cents posted right under your two pennies no matter what. If someone writes a book their critics do not get a column under each page in which to comment. Their critics can, however, write whatever they please elsewhere and then the author decides which are worthy of response.

Granted, I could just let the comments sit if I deem them unworthy of a response, but I cannot bring myself to do that when they are on the same page as my entry.

We have found that intelligent discourse is achieved much more often by addressing the more prominent "debunkers" in post to post debates. On that note, the fact of the matter is, we link to more articles, provide more excerpts, and post more videos from "debunking" sites than any other 9/11 truth site out there. I recently left a comment at the so-called "9-11 Flogger" that links to a JREF post from Mark Roberts because it correctly points out that something in the post is wrong.

We are fair, Pat, and we are not stifling free speech, we are simply exercising ours and not running a forum.

But if you still want to claim that we "don't care for free speech" because we have a no comment policy as opposed to your restricted policy, then I have a message for one of your commenters.

Freedom of speech Brian, just watch what you say.



Fun Fact:

After being made aware of the Actors and Artists for 911 Truth site because I was told they link to us I noticed that Ace Baker received a gold record for his drum beat programming on that song. As blog contributor Adam Taylor recently stated to me in regard to a music video Ace put together, "Got to hand it to Ace. He's a real talented guy. Just wish he'd put it to good use." :)

Rebuttal of Ace Baker's "Chopper 5 Composite" Analysis

Sunday, May 15, 2011

Quick and Simple Action: Support Rashard Mendenhall and Vote for Free Speech

Nor Cal Truth
911blogger.com
05/15/2011

A poll has been conducted and is still available for voting at USA Today. The vote is concerning Rashard Mendenhall's loss of his corporate sponsor Champion apparel after his remarks about Bin Laden and 9/11.

The vote results right now will make you cringe, and we need to impact the results:

•68% think Rashard's sponsor dropping him was the right thing to do.
•18% Think Champion should not have dropped him, and allowed him to speak his mind freely.
•14% Dont care.

Will you help me bump up that 18%? CLICK HERE to vote.

After the killing of Bin Laden, NFL running back Rashard Mendenhall posted a Tweet to his fans saying this:

What kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side...

He went on further to say this about the demolition os the WTC buildings:

“We’ll never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.

The poll is here:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/05/rashard-mendenhall-fired-by-champion-over-osama-bin-laden-comments/1

Comment from "Orangutan":

Another poll of public opinion...

On May 4th Rashard Mendenhall had 13,631 followers on Twitter.
On May 19th Rashard Mendenhall has over 48,200 followers.

That should tell you something...

Related Info:

Thinking Athlete Mendenhall's Spokesman Contract Cancelled--Americans Support Ignorance

Rashard Mendenhall: 'I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style'

Sunday, March 8, 2009

WeAreChange Indy - 9/11 Truth Street Action

http://www.wacindy.webs.com WeAreChange Indy downtown Indianapolis March 7, 2009 Street Action 9/11 Truth handing out information and talking to people on Monument Circle. WACIndy http://www.wearechange.org

This is yours truly doing these interviews with people on the street, and we didn't cherry pick here either, everyone we talked to with the exception of the man on the bike were receptive. The camera informed me I need to drop a few pounds, so in the meantime, get out there and get active. ;) ...9/11 Truth Now!



I misspoke when I mention fires in the last hundred years, it is really the last 50 years, and it is said by some that there are over 100 examples. Either way, the point is that Other Skyscraper Fires Have Never Caused Them to Collapse.

And of course the unanswered questions of the 9/11 family members are a separate issue, not a side issue!

This video is also posted at JonesReport.com, WeAreChange.org, and 911visibility.com.

Related:
 
WeAreChange Indy - 9/11 Truth Street Action part 2
 
We Are Change Central Indiana End The Fed Protest in Downtown Indy
 
WACCI - Free Speech Zone Indy remix
 
WACCI - Iran War Protest

Tuesday, January 6, 2009

240,000 dollars awarded to man forced to cover Arab T-shirt

Please take a look at the related info at the bottom of the page...

Mon Jan 5, 7:22 pm ET
news.yahoo.com

NEW YORK (AFP) – An airline passenger forced to cover his T-shirt because it displayed Arabic script has been awarded 240,000 dollars in compensation, campaigners said Monday.

Raed Jarrar received the pay out on Friday from two US Transportation Security Authority officials and from JetBlue Airways following the August 2006 incident at New York's JFK Airport, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) announced.

"The outcome of this case is a victory for free speech and a blow to the discriminatory practice of racial profiling," said Aden Fine, a lawyer with ACLU.

Jarrar, a US resident, was apprehended as he waited to board a JetBlue flight from New York to Oakland, California, and told to remove his shirt, which had written on it in Arabic: "We will not be silent."
He was told other passengers felt uncomfortable because an Arabic-inscribed T-shirt in an airport was like "wearing a T-shirt at a bank stating, I am a robber,'" the ACLU said.

Jarrar eventually agreed to cover his shirt with another provided by JetBlue. He was allowed aboard but his seat was changed from the front to the back of the aircraft.

Last week, nine Muslims, including three children, were ordered off a domestic US flight after passengers heard what they believed were suspicious remarks about security.

Although the passengers, eight of them US citizens, were cleared by the FBI, they were reportedly still barred from the AirTran flight.

Security has been at a high level in US airports since the September 11, 2001 hijacked airliner attacks against the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.

However, rights groups and representatives of the Muslim community say the security measures have led to frequent discrimination and harassment.

Related Info...

A rare peek at Homeland Security's files on travelers

Civil Liberties Quotes in the Wake of 9-11

Unconstitutional - The War on Our Civil Liberties

Loss of US Civil Liberties timeline

Patriot Act Use Against US Citizens

Video: Airline apologizes to nine Muslims kicked off plane