Debunking the Debunkers: Daily Rabbit Hole #383 | Alex Jones banned from Facebook | Pensmore mansion - Gizmodo RESPONSE: Ted Cruz Bravely Defends Alex Jones Against Facebook's Temporary Internet Jail

Sunday, July 29, 2018

Daily Rabbit Hole #383 | Alex Jones banned from Facebook | Pensmore mansion - Gizmodo RESPONSE: Ted Cruz Bravely Defends Alex Jones Against Facebook's Temporary Internet Jail

Posted by JM Talboo

From Gizmodo, response follows...

“Am no fan of Jones—among other things he has a habit of repeatedly slandering my Dad by falsely and absurdly accusing him of killing JFK—but who the hell made Facebook the arbiter of political speech?” Cruz wrote. “Free speech includes views you disagree with. #1A”
In other words, there’s a war on for your mind!
Saying Cruz’s dad shot John F. Kennedy is, however, extremely low on the list of bad things Jones and Infowars have done.
Recently, that list includes promoting far-right personalities like white supremacist Faith Goldy, who endorsed “ethno-nationalism” on the anti-semitic Red Ice media network and does video reviews of fascist literature, as a candidate for mayor of Toronto. (Infowars ran a somewhat confused front-page spread on Friday calling her a “pro-Trump nationalist.”) More broadly, it’s included targeted harassment of mass shooting survivors and their relatives, the official reason for Jones’ temporary Facebook suspension and one of the many things Jones is currently facing lawsuits over.https://gizmodo.com/ted-cruz-bravely-defends-alex-jones-against-facebooks-t-1827948027

Reply:

First off, the JFK issue with Cruz's dad is far from being made from whole cloth.

Secondly, I don't support ethno-nationalism, but I understand the anti-white racism that spurs it. But Faith Goldy holding it as an ideal, if not promoting violence (which she isn't), does not make her a white supremacist anymore than thinking Japanese wanting to have a majority in Japan makes them racists, or China wanting to consist of mainly Chinese, or Africa being majority African. This is utterly ridiculous nonsense and a double standard. I've seen a lot of Goldy and I've never heard her say a racist word whatsoever. The claim that Red Ice is anti-Semitic because they dare levy criticism at Jewish individuals sure doesn't hold up for her former Jewish owned employer known as Rebel Media, who I have never heard her speak ill of in racial terms either. I suggest readers here listen to her and judge for yourself...

KayAndroid
39:00 Yeah! This is something I can agree with. I'm an intelligent black conservative Canadian, and this is the way I personally feel. I support a white majority here in Canada.

Here is a Red Ice interview with a Jewish podcaster and publisher of the The Jewish Alternative, who sees eye to eye with these supposed racists on their identitarian views. Below is a very recent interview with a Mexican activist who sees eye to eye with these supposed racists on their identitarian views. The discussion goes there, but is centered on the issues of censorship being discussed here...

It should be noted that the only ethno-state in existence is the Jewish state of Israel...

Regarding the lie that Jones has engaged in "harassment of mass shooting survivors and their relatives," here is how I addressed this issue in a recent open reply I wrote to Joe Rogan...

Why does Rogan repeatedly keep mentioning Sandy Hook as a talking point against Jones on his shows, but yet he can't be bothered to find out what Alex has actually said about it???

Sorry, I always question whether people's indignation is healthy when others question if people actually died in an event. Seeing as how our government actually put these phrases in a document...

"Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
"Conduct funerals for mock-victims"
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

If they are referencing the Parkland shooting it is equally disingenuous.

Full Show - MSM Launches All Out Attack On Infowars For Questioning Parkland, FL Shooting Narrative

Again from Gizmodo...

Jones’ suspension is thus not so much suppression of “free speech,” as Cruz claimed, as it is a penalty for violating Facebook’s terms of service. To the extent that it raises any concerns at all, it’s that it follows weeks of criticism over Facebook’s refusal to ban Infowars and CEO Mark Zuckerberg claiming Holocaust deniers are merely ignorant, leading one to suspect that Jones’ ban was simply an arbitrary half-measure designed to calm down the critics rather than coherently enforce its policies across the board. (Importantly, Jones’ 30-day suspension reportedly only affected the reach of his personal account and not Infowars’.) https://gizmodo.com/ted-cruz-bravely-defends-alex-jones-against-facebooks-t-1827948027

So authoritarian leftists have been crying foul because Facebook was for a time acting in a constitutional manner. Listen up, you Orwellian prophecy fulfillers, class is in session!...

Zuckerberg Slammed for Refusing to Ban Holocaust Denial on Facebook

Posted by JM Talboo

Facebook must comply with Germany’s laws banning Holocaust denial regardless of its own internal polices, authorities gave a warning to the company CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, who said Holocaust deniers' comments should not be removed.

It sounds like Zuckerberg is for free and open debate regardless of the issue being discussed. The core overlooked issue here is if the Holocaust deniers are wrong they can be countered by dispassionate argument - like arguing against a flat Earth.

The biggest problem is that many countries make ANY debate on the topic illegal, like Germany.

Why should academics or researchers go to jail for airing information that can be proven wrong in the public space? If a Holocaust denying video like the one appearing below is factually wrong it should be a simple matter of offering a good counter argument. One should not be imprisoned for this sort of thing:

[Posted at the SpookyWeather blog, July 24th, 2018.]

I Condemn the Firing of [Anti-Trump] Cartoonist Rob Rogers (The Legacy Media are Cowards!) - Styx

Posted by JM Talboo

No, Huffpo, it isn't because of an "attack on the press" it's because cowards run most editorial board rooms including yours.

The issue of free speech and a free press applies to all sides of politics. It's up to the public to decide what they agree with.

[Posted at the SpookyWeather blog, July 23rd, 2018.]

I also condemn this censorship. Inciting violence when the rule of law instituted by the government hasn't completely broken down, as can be argued in the UK, is the only speech not protected.

"When the Law fails, repeatedly, and over a long period of time, people will take things into their own hands."http://spookyweather.blogspot.com/2018/07/uk-fire-rises-vigilantes-attack-rape.html

The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms: There is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment:
http://trumpisright.blogspot.com/search?q=hate+speech

Shutting down the free speech of others who you deem abhorrent, who are not being violent, and who you are being violent towards, doesn't constitute a break down of the rule of the law. This situation, ahem!... ANTIFA, doesn't give you the right to incite violence, much less carry it out!
http://911truthactivism.blogspot.com/2018/06/freetommy-mob-scares-uk-police-away.html

- JM Talboo

DO YOU SEE HOW THIS FREE SPEECH THING WORKS NOW?

More tripe from Gizmodo...

In any case, by amorphously framing the issue in terms of “free speech,” Cruz can ignore the context and content of said speech and further the ultimate conservative endgame: having no accountability for anything they say whatsoever. They don’t want Facebook to play fair so much as they want it to play by their rules and on their terms, and if making the Pizzagate pusher who thinks the Illuminati puts chemicals in the water to make “the friggin’ frogs gay” into a martyr helps, so be it.https://gizmodo.com/ted-cruz-bravely-defends-alex-jones-against-facebooks-t-1827948027

Two quick debunks...

STFU Up Tom Arnold! Roseanne Isn't Racist, Your Buddy Arnold Schwarzenegger Is. Pizzagate Hasn't Been Debunked and There's An Intellectual Case for Conspiracism:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2018/05/stfu-up-tom-arnold-roseanne-isnt-racist.html

Scientific American Confirms: Atrazine Herbicide is a “Sex-Changing Weed Killer” that Turns Male Frogs GAY:

http://welcometohealth.blogspot.com/2018/07/scientific-american-confirms-atrazine.html

No, we want Facebook to follow the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution because these are public utilities at this point where people communicate with family and friends. Or perhaps the creation of an separate internet Bill of Rights. If the phone company wanted to ban me from service because I had what they deemed incorrectly to be a "racist Nazi" supporting Trump 2020 sign, you might see the issue? That is what is going on! Of course this modern day example has more pitfalls, but the "accountability for things said" is not being fairly applied. The US Constitution is the answer! As Jones correctly states, the solution to 1984 is 1776!!!

Here is a lot more important context than anything Gizmodo provided...

MASSIVE REPORT: THE CENSORSHIPMASTER PLANDECODED

Part One: The Societal Cost of Censorship and the Denial of the Right to Exist
Part Two: The Fight for Reality (censorship motivations and justifications)
Part Three: The Fallacy of “Fake News”
Part Four: Decentralization and the Structure of News Consumption
Part Five: Technological and Psychological Methods of Overt and Covert Censorship
Part Six: Legislative and Regulatory Solutions to Techno-Tyranny

The Conservative Case for Breaking Up Monopolies Such as Google and Facebook:

http://trumpisright.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-conservative-case-for-breaking-up.html

Youtube Should Take a Stand and Condemn the Legacy Media for Raiding Infowars

I bet anything this is like when the NYT wrote their first hit piece on them. Also, note that their channel is still up despite four strikes, which is disconcerting almost as much as that Youtube isn't publicly condemning this obvious raid: https://tinyurl.com/yayttv78

Youtube Gives Infowars a Strike as CNN Allegedly Scripts Entire Town Hall