Jesse Ventura "Lets Look At The Whole 9/11 Conspiracy For A Moment..."

October 03, 2013 Russia Today News
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Yes, Ventura has endorsed the theory that Directed Energy Weapons were used to demolish the buildings on 9/11 and the theory that the plane that hit the Pentagon actually flew over it while a bomb exploded, and no he doesn't always have all his facts as straight as we like around here. That said, he does promote a lot of good 9/11 and other info that is widely distributed to the masses. So rather than ignore him we opt to point these things out and hope people find our blog through searching for him and then are able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Here is the full audio book of Jesse Ventura's American Conspiracies

9/11 Family Members and 2,000+ Architects and Engineers Ask That You ReThink 9/11

http://rethink911.org
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com

Thousands Of Victims' Family Members Believe 9/11 Was An Inside Job:

http://911blogger.com/news/2006-09-22/thousands-victims-family-members-believe-911-was-inside-job

9/11 Family Member Vance Green speaks at Rethink911 Times Square

UPDATE: Architects and Engineers For 911 Truth- More than 2000* Building Experts say 911 was an Inside Job

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2013/08/update-architects-and-engineers-for-911.html

9/11 Families Ask: What Happened to the Third Building That Collapsed in the WTC Attacks?:

http://www.alternet.org/story/148867/9_11_families_ask%3A_what_happened_to_the_third_building_that_collapsed_in_the_wtc_attacks/?page=entire

"The Jersey Girls" support AE911Truth efforts:

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/102-qthe-jersey-girlsq-support-ae911truth-efforts.html

Scholars and Family Members Submit Request for Correction to 9/11 NIST Report:

http://stj911.org/press_releases/NIST.html

We, the undersigned Families, First Responders and Survivors of September 11 raise our voice with those from across our country and around the world in support of NYC CAN and the establishment of an independent, impartial subpoena powered investigation into the events surrounding the September 11 attacks on our nation:

http://nyccan.org/signatories.php

Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11:

http://www.911truth.org/911-truth-statement/

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Target:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/09/but-if-911-was-conspiracy-people-would.html

9/11 Family Member "I Get Used As A Sacred Cow":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOdRt4rHSY

There Are No 9/11 Whistleblowers If You Claim They Are All Confused or Lying

First a little background from the film Loose Change Final Cut:

This story has received new life recently after the Pentagon bought and destroyed 10,000 copies of a book, "Operation Dark Heart," written by Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, prompting an editorial published at Investors Business Daily to ask:

"Why would the Pentagon buy and destroy copies of a book by a former Army intelligence officer? Could it be perhaps because it contained information on how the 9/11 attacks might have been prevented?"

Of course the Screw Loose Change blog wouldn't want Loose Change to be right about anything, so they recently posted a blog attempting to debunk the issue.

James B. of the blog asserted that:

...The whole point of the project was that it was supposed to be a data mining project of open sources. So all the troofers have to do to prove this story true is point out where Atta showed up in the press prior to 9/11 and how this somehow connected him to a terrorist cell.

But the project did not rely on open sources alone, as the article on the subject on Wikipedia states:

The program used data mining techniques to associate open source information with classified information in an attempt to make associations between individual members of terrorist groups as part of its original "intelligence preparation of the battlespace". The objective of this particular project was to ascertain whether the data mining techniques and open source material were effective tools in determining terrorist activities...[7][8]

A recent article by Jon Gold also makes this clear, he writes:

If you don't know, Able Danger was a military unit set up by the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) in late 1998. It was tasked with collecting "huge amounts of data in a technique called "data mining." They get information from such sources as al-Qaeda Internet chat rooms, news accounts, web sites, and financial records. Using sophisticated software, they compare this with government records such as visa applications by foreign tourists, to find any correlations and depict these visually." The information would then be used to "conduct real operations against al-Qaeda targets."

The following excerpt from the Fox News article "Third Source Backs 'Able Danger' Claims About Atta" makes it clear that Atta was not identified by open source material alone:

J.D. Smith, a defense contractor who claims he worked on the technical side of the unit, code-named "Able Danger"... said data was gathered from a variety of sources, including about 30 or 40 individuals. He said they all had strong Middle Eastern connections and were paid for their information. Smith said Able Danger's photo of Atta was obtained from overseas.

"I am absolutely positive that he [Atta] was on our chart among other pictures and ties that we were doing mainly based upon [terror] cells in New York City," Smith said.

The Wikipedia article states the following of the other witnesses who support the claims about Atta:

The Defense Department announced its findings on September 1, 2005, after a three-week investigation into Able Danger. The statement announced the discovery of three other witnesses in addition to Shaffer and Phillpott who confirm Able Danger had produced a chart that "either mentioned Atta by name as an al-Qaeda operative [and/or] showed his photograph." Four of the five witnesses remember the photo on the chart. The fifth remembers only Atta being cited by name. The Pentagon describes the witnesses as "credible" but stated that the document which allegedly mentioned Atta could not be found.[32][33]

In debunker land all of these witnesses are just confused, or lying like former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds.

I endorse the NYC CAN campaign and support the need for a new, independent, investigation of the events and failures that lead up to the 9/11 attacks.

The original 9/11 Commission inquiry became an exercise in bureaucratic ass-covering and obfuscation of accountability.

I had no intention of joining the ranks of “whistle blowers”. In 2003, when I made my disclosure to the 9/11 commission regarding the existence of a pre 9/11 offensive counter-terrorism operation that had discovered several of the 9/11 terrorists a full year before the 9/11 attacks my intention was to simply tell the truth, and fulfill my oath of office.

Unfortunately, this was a minority view.

Instead of supporting the search for the truth, members of the Bush/Rumsfeld Department of Defense did everything within their power to destroy my 20 year career as a clandestine intelligence operative simply to try to discredit me and my disclosure.

In 2006 I testified before Congress on the pre-9/11 issues regarding the systemic failures I was personally aware of – in both open and closed sessions – and yet nothing was ever done to correct these problems.

The families and victims of the 9/11 attacks are owed a real accounting of why their government failed them. We all deserve answers.

The full accounting has never been made. This accounting is long overdue. I hope the NYC CAN effort will result in a real, detailed, independent investigation that will reveal the full truth – whatever that truth may be.

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer

Related Info:

The 9/11 Truth Movement has no credentialed experts...

Witnesses in Defense Dept. Report Suggest Cover-Up of 9/11 Findings

Able Danger Round-up

9/11 Coverup: Judge Napolitano interviews Col, Anthony Shaffer and Michael Scheuer

But if 9/11 was a "conspiracy", people would have talked!

CIT DISINFO/Smoke and Mirrors!

Recently 911Debunkers blog did a very thorough debunking job regarding no plane theories.In this Debunking of no plane theories JM and Scootle included the Citizens Investigation Team more commonly known as CIT. JM and Scootle took this "No Plane" nonsense on in a very in depth manner.
In my opinion they did an excellent job.
I thought they did such an excellent job, that it did not need my input at all.
I did not watch the CIT movie at the time,
I did not want to waste my precious time.
But I did read the numerous articles That JM and Scootle wrote regarding this subject.
I became concerned when Richard Gage and others who have supported us in our long quest for 9/11 Truth, jumped on board the CIT dis-info, smoke and mirrors, no plane hit the Pentagon, theory train.
So I watched the CIT Movie.
(OMG!)
I can't believe I watched this! (it took forever to load)
In the first part of the movie CIT swears that they are going to prove that the 9/11 Pentagon attack was a Black-Ops., False Flag operation.
My first thought was "Ya Think???"
This is not news or at the very least it is not news to me.
I and others have been saying 9/11 was a False Flag operation for years.
I am glad that more people are now agreeing with the concept.
However I have a real problem with people who are claiming that yes 9/11 was a False Flag Operation while subtly promoting no plane theories.
The CIT People subtly allude by images and dialog that no plane hit the Pentagon.
They do this right in the beginning of the movie.
They are showing the support columns of the Pentagon explosion impact site.
The columns allegedly (according to the movie) do not show impact damage consistent with the official story claims of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
(pay no attention to the fact that the impact damage zone outline they keep showing on the Pentagon in red, looks exactly like the outline of a plane)
They go along in a few more frames and subtly place images that they claim show how the government's story and flight path is a lie.
These images are designed to place a doubt in the minds of the viewer.
The images and graphs they show of the Pentagon plane crash site are linked with dialog that subtly insinuates that it is impossible for a plane to have done this.
(again ignore that red outline that exactly matches the wing span of a plane on their graphs )
Then they spend most of the movie interviewing people who "remember clearly" that they saw THE PLANE coming in on the North side instead of the South side as the "official story" claims.

I have to say this.
ALL Of THOSE EYE WITNESSES THAT THE CIT REPORTERS INTERVIEWED claim they SAW A PLANE FLYING ULTRA LOW and SCREAMING (was the word their eyewitnesses used) IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PENTAGON!
Now the CIT people would like you to believe that the plane could not have done the aeronautical maneuvers required to come in on the South side and hit the Pentagon.
The CIT people laid claim from their movie that Pilots for 9/11 Truth said this type of South Side maneuver was impossible for this type of plane.
OK- I'm no Pilot and everything I know about flying a plane could be placed in one sentence.
But my mind just kept screaming SO WHAT!
North Side, South side I do not care what side the plane came in on, the eyewitnesses all showed the same impact site on the maps!
The (CIT reporters) gave the eyewitnesses maps and a pen to draw the flight path of THE PLANE on.
ALL THE CIT's EYEWITNESSES who drew a line on the map of the PLANES FLIGHT PATH DREW A LINE TO THE "OFFICIAL STORY" IMPACT SITE AT THE PENTAGON!

Now how about those light poles they kept yammering about in the movie?
I am going to play Devils advocate for a minute.
Lets just say that the plane flew in on the North Side and the light poles falling down were not caused by the direct impact of the planes wings (or any plane contact) but were caused by the wind-sheer force of the planes, 500 plus MPH speed and jet engine out put force as it blew by..
This is not inconsistent, nor does it invaladate the fact that a PLANE hit the Pentagon.
Note that Plane is the operative word in those sentences.
Believing that a plane came in on the South Side (as many eyewitnesses and the official story said it did) does not invalidate the supposition that the 9/11 Pentagon Attack was a Black-OPs.False Flag Operation.
But just in case the official story of the flight path is wrong, and the eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon are wrong, and the plane flew in on the North side after all and something else hit the Pentagon I have to say this......
ALL EVIDENCE INCLUDING CIT's OWN EYEWITNESSES, IN THEIR OWN MOVIE, CLAIM THE PLANE THEY SAW HIT THE PENTAGON!
At no time in any eyewitness testimony did any person say,
"I saw the plane fly over/hop over/pull-up/ and/or miss the Pentagon."
I found myself asking these questions of the CIT's movie.
If indeed the plane flew over the Pentagon with-out impact as they allude to...
then where is flight 77?
Where did the passengers go?
Where did the Black box come from?
If our military shot the plane out of the sky with a missile after it supposidly hopped/ flew over the Pentagon --- how is it there is no impact site or debris field somewhere else?
What about the families of the passengers who died on the plane?
Were they all just illusions and they all lied to cover up the governments Black-Ops moment?
As they say in my part of the world...
Honey PULLLEASE!
Don't even get me started regarding the statement in the movie about our, government "quietly releasing proof", documents to the CIT people.
I can sum up the CIT dis-info no plane theory in one word.
BullShit.

Related Info...

A Clarification on Disinfo

9/11-a Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Pentagon Attack Photos

Top 40 Reasons the Official 9/11 Story is Bunk!

 

The following is from 911truth.org, extra info and back-up for the claims made have been added in the form of hyperlinks and bracketed text.

THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

We are continuing to compile the best documentation links for every single point on this page, and intend to post the updated version as soon as possible, and create teaching tools and more from the info. This is a significant and time-consuming process--if you have useful links, please send them to janice[at]911truth[dot]org. Thanks for your help! If you use the search function with title key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the NY Attorney General Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.

THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command

a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable. c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike

How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93

Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?

THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS

6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.

c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.

b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

[Counter point: More on the 9/11 Put Options]

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-worldtrade-50suspects,0,1825231.story

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.

[In 2001 then Secretary of State Colin Powell stated that the government would soon "put out a paper ... that will describe clearly the evidence that we have linking" bin Laden to 9/11. One day later the government reneged on this pledge and no such paper has ever been offered. So it seems that the first statement from the FBI was the honest one. Bin Laden has admitted to being involved in 9/11, but just like the FBI he has made contraduictory statements and denied his guilt on three reported occasions, including once on video, but this doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Afterall, there is circumstantial evidence against him in the form of a video showing him meeting with with some of the hijackers. And as 911myths.com points out, "Since 9/11, al-Qaeda have released footage of several of the hijackers. These include a number of video wills, where they talk about jihad and attacking America." Click here for more info.]

b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).

c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.

d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.

c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.

b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection (FBI Whistleblower Exposes New Dimensions To 'Pakistan Connection')
a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")

 ["9/11 Myths" Takes on Pakistan's ISI Link to 9/11 Funding]

b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.

c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:
a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.

b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."

c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission''s request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn''t the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux
a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).

b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell''s) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola''s faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims'' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections
a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)

b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush''s go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution
a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_defense), secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?

HISTORY

38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.

REASON NUMBER 41:
RELATED MOVEMENTS AND PARALLEL ISSUES

Ground Zero aftermath movements: - Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org)- "Radio Silence" (radiosilencefdny.com)- Skyscraper Safety (http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/).

Election fraud and black box voting, 2000 to 2004. (BlackBoxVoting.org)

Lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. (afterdowningstreet.org)
Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (See, "The War at Home")

Oklahoma City Truth movement. (Offline, but not forgotten - May 9, 2008!)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order" - An unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.

GOING FORWARD ..."But an inside job would involve thousands of people! How could they keep a secret?" Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.

Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources)

Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes - Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival. (End of 911truth.org article.)
 
Still not convinced that the facts speak for themselves? Perhaps you are a coincidence theorist, or GASP... a 9/11 debunker!

Interview with Yvonne White, a Host of the Popular Group "9/11 Conspiracy" on Care2.com

Original post location and date:
http://truthawaits.com
Saturday, March 22, 2008

John-Michael Talboo (JMT)-Q:

For those who don't know Care2.com is an activist social networking website with currently over 8 million members! The site features discussion groups of which the popular group 9/11 Conspiracy can be found which has a decent current membership of 783.

Yvonne White is a friend of mine and is one of five hosts to the group, being that Yvonne is a dedicated 9/11 activist and hosts a group with so many 9/11 truthers involved, I thought her perspective on the 9/11 Truth movement would be good convo.

So first off let me say hello dear friend and thanks for letting me conduct this interview. I appreciate all your hard work in promoting 9/11 truth issues more than you know.

Can you first off tell the readers how you became convinced the official story of September 11th was a fraud and also who you think the true culprits are?

Yvonne White-A:

Thanks for the intro John-Michael! I'm glad you included the fact that I'm just one of the hosts of the 9/11 Conspiracy group. From my perspective, I believe it's a great group with a very Liberal attitude - meaning we don't filter the news/articles/video feeds posted. But we also don't let NeoCONs harass the membership either.

There may be hundreds of Theories out there, but the most important (to me) is that NO Outside Terrorist could have planned and implemented the 9/11 attacks without major Inside Help. That's giving This Bu$h League Club the benefit of the doubt (that doubt being that Any Outside Organization was involved AT ALL).

Now back to "the question": Can you first off tell the readers how you became convinced the official story of September 11th was a fraud, and also who you think the true culprits are? I believe the first thing I said to my sister when she called to tell me the WTC was hit by a plane was "What is Bu$h up to? How is this gonna get us into Iraq?" I was only half-ass kidding.. but later I was only surprised that it took him so long to invade. By the time I got the call & turned on the TV my sister was saying this was the second building & plane.. and yet no fighter planes were in the air.. News crews were there, just like in New Orleans, but no military intervention was evident. Those News crews were trying to get out the news, interviewing people, interpreting events, relaying information - at First... then things started getting weirder than the fact that we were supposedly Under Attack. Planes were Lost or Misplaced, "Bu$h the Le$$er" was shown reading children's books & NOT dropping Everything to get to the War Room, Cheney was "at a secret location", suddenly we Knew the Terrorists Identities & news anchors started back-tracking on previous statements.. Suddenly we're supposed to forget what Demolitions look & sound like and what reporters & firemen & people in the street had said they heard & saw. Suddenly we're supposed to believe that Guliani’s 15 Million Dollar Bunker is not as safe as the streets of New York, which were supposedly under attack - but somehow he can keep those "unknown numbers of attackers" at bay??? The Pentagon is hit in the most recently updated & reinforced section, coincidence.. a plane Finally heads for the White House/Capitol Building/whatever in DC. and is either shot down or fell down depending on whatever version you choose.. and by that evening WTC 7 is "pulled", which means demolished, even though it was Never Hit and contained "the Bunker".. yeah, I was suspicious as hell.

I put the blame on the "people in charge". It's often said that conspiracy theories are too complex, too many people in the know would eventually blow the cover. But this Administration has side-stepped the issue altogether by simply pleading incompetence on one hand and "we're the only ones who can save you" on the other!

I was shocked that SO many News Agencies suddenly stopped asking hard questions (or any questions really), that even Dan Rather changed his analysis (we know what happened to him when he Did Finally start asking questions).

Here are a few questions that I'd have asked: How did some dude in a cave, no matter however rich his family is, co-ordinate & carry out suicide attacks in the USA?

Why, if the attacks were supposedly to "inflict damage & inspire terror", did they pick a Previous Target (it didn't work in the 90's when they Tried bombing the WTC) - why not National Symbols? Being from the Midwest, the WTC is not something I think of when I think American Symbols. The Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell, the Capitol Building, the White House, the Washington & Lincoln Monument - ANY of those would have been a Major Blow to the American Psyche... Not the WTC.. not even the Pentagon - though at least it is the symbol of the Military Industrial Complex. But it Seemed an after-thought to me.

Everyone in the country was upset, angry, and saddened.. but Terrorized? Maybe they were in New York, after all the Mayor was running around in the streets & attempting to put off elections.. Out here in the sticks, I was wondering why the biggest Crime Scene since Pearl Harbor was being carted off without proper management.. we've all seen CSI, and we were not impressed with the Feds on this.

Following the money is the first thing they say on all these cop shows.. Silverstein was the Very Recent owner of these suddenly explosive buildings (WTC), and Very well Insured! Even though Most Insurance Policies state they Do NOT pay for Acts of God OR Acts of War - and Bu$h himself stated this was an Act of War, hence the War on Terror!

And these jet-fuel-exploded skyscrapers should be in the book of World Records - as the First & Only Skyscrapers to FALL Down from short-lived fires without accompanying controlled demolitions..

There are just SO many things that Don't Ring True, and we are told to shut up & read the propaganda! Okay.. I'm starting to ramble.. I'm going to stop now.

JMT-Q:
Ramble on sister! So they never had you fooled for a second, huh? I instinctively knew something was up, but got duped for awhile.

Now when did the conception of the 9/11 Conspiracy group come about, and how did you get involved?

Also, anyone that is a part of this movement knows how hard it is to convince others that government complicity is the true culprit here. Have you gained any insight through hosting this group as to how people out there are most effective in demonstrating to others that we are dealing with complicity and not just incompetence?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! "So they never had you fooled for a second huh?" Fooled isn't the word I'd use. I was shocked & appalled, angry & sad.. and frightened for my family and friends. But it was not from Outside Terrorists that the fear came. It was the justification of the pervading dread that had loomed over America since the 2000 "election". So the shoe that dropped was not in the form expected, it was worse - because civilian casualties were involved.

Nobody WANTS to believe the highest levels of their own government could be involved in killing thousands of its citizens. But they do it all the time - war being the most obvious way.

This particular President has the most perverse history that I know of - mocking death-row inmates, killing small animals as a boyhood "prank", bankrupting companies, and having a mother who says on camera "these people are probably better off " about Katrina victims who had lost their homes, family, pets, and communities... so it's NO great stretch of the imagination to think he would have allowed Americans to die "for a good cause". In fact, the Katrina episode reinforced my belief and Opened the Eyes of quite a few others who had tried desperately to cling to the illusion of Incompetence rather than the cold-blooded execution of their Agenda.

But there were Too Many "special circumstances" to ignore about 9/11. One plane hitting one building could have been a fluke, even that building falling down Could have been a fluke.. but it wouldn't have worked for their causes. Imperial Presidencies need Lots of Backup - at least one plausible Terrorist Group to blame, Media Enablers, Congre$$, Corportaions, Military, etc. The Terrorist Group was key, an Intelligence Operative had already identified Bin Laden & warned repeatedly that he wanted to hurt America and Bin Laden was safely tucked away in a country that had ruined Russia! Perfect! Also perfect in that the man who did this work & knew the most about Bin Laden died in the WTC on 9/11. The Media was muzzled quickly, by the end of day. Corporations were more than willing to buy into "protection". The Military was more than ready to get into the game. Congre$$ was a bit harder to arm-twist, but that was solved by Anthrax letters and No Arrests, No Convictions (yet They can Protect us from Terrorists???).

We have tons of 9/11 Conspiracy info at the group. Most of it well documented & much better presented than my brief ranting.

I should mention that the macho swaggering of Bu$h the Lesser and the cross-me-&-get-shot-in-the-face style of Cheney has made it Much easier for people to question the whole "we're Just Stupid" thing.

Katrina pushed a LOT of people over the edge. The genocidal aspect was hard to overlook. We got many new members afterward.

I'm not the founder of 9/11 Conspiracy. But I was very flattered when I was asked to co-host. I believe it's important for people to be able to question the government "line" on 9/11 and everything that has come since.

JMT-Q:

I like your rants over many others painstaking analysis! :)

You know Yvonne the 9/11 truth movement has seen both exciting and freighting things taking place as of late. Some big positives being the Japanese and European Parliament taking notice of the issues we are talking about. But on the other hand, 9/11 activists are not just being called conspiracy theorists, but anarchists akin to the likes of Timothy McVeigh. The program Morning Joe on MSNBC even stated that 9/11 truthers should be taken to a secret military prison in Eastern Europe!

Where do you see the 9/11 truth movement heading, and do you think we will achieve a new independent or international investigation?

Yvonne White-A:

One of the main reasons I joined 9/11 Conspiracy is because the Mainstream Media was just reading the Bu$h-Cheney script instead of Investigating. There weren't any Woodward & Bernstein’s out there - and at least one of them were in the Bu$h's pocket! Woodward belatedly did a minor expose, but too little, too late. Is it because MM itself is afraid of being carted off to detention camps?

For some I believe so. Dan Rather was duped & "retired" after years of fine reporting. Keith Olbermann was "pranked" with fake anthrax... but those anthrax letters on the first go-round were real - and NO body has been indicted! These people who are in "Intelligence Gathering" are seemingly too mentally challenged to follow leads. They need everything spelled out, either put in writing or spoken slowly & clearly over a tapped line.

I'm not too worried about being "disappeared". I am so far from Ground Zero that I personally have NO Proof of anything to do with 9/11 that I can testify to. But I do think Big Brother keeps tabs on our group, our emails, and probably our phone calls. Most of the time I wish they'd mind their own business, occasionally I Hope they're paying attention & sweating a bit.

There were too many oddities about 9/11 for people NOT to notice & wonder about. Hijackers have taken planes before, it was a fad back in the day to take one to Cuba..

But four planes is a Conspiracy, and four planes that were to a degree successful seems highly unlikely Without Help from Inside. There have been Rules in place for 40 years or so about what is Supposed to Happen when a hijacking is taking place, or Thought to be taking place. The FAA knows them, the military knows them, supposedly the Terrorists know them. Yet NONE of the rules were followed. Somehow Cheney was in charge. Somehow planes disappeared & reappeared, fighter jets were misdirected, etc., etc., etc.

Again, I have to question the targets chosen. A man Buys these buildings and within a few Months they're attacked & get "blown up". Not ALL of them, but more than the 2 actually hit. WTC 7 was "pulled" by the mans own admission, recorded by TV crews. Rudy's bunker was in WTC 7, if I was a New Yorker I'd want an In Depth Investigation into that item for starters!

Foreign press & governments have been suspicious of the "party line", if not from day one - then soon there-after. They should be. Even suspecting that this government could be so calculating & cold to its own citizens, then why would they trust the USA in any way?

The Bu$h-Cheney steamroller plowed through the wreckage of 9/11 to build the Imperial Presidency, to trash the Constitution, to diminish the UN, to destroy the Geneva convention, to wage "pre-emptive" unprovoked wars with lies, to ruin our Economy & our security for the sake of enriching Corporations. And it ALL began on 9/11. It ALL began with a NeoCON plan - PNAC was too prescient...In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, ABSENT some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor".

This PNAC group was led by such heavy hitters as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, James Bolton, Zalmay M. Khalilzad, William Bennett, Dan Quayle, Jeb Bush, most of whom were movers-and-shakers in previous Administrations, then in power-exile, as it were, while Clinton was in the White House. Now they were back & "ready to roll"! To be that "psychic", and yet NOT "ready" to deal with it is Not Just Incompetent, its Criminal! To feign Shock & bad communication, distractions, or whatever came to mind was as bogus as the "nobody could have foreseen" crap they spouted concerning the New Orleans Katrina insanity (attempted genocide seems like the correct description to me).

I allowed myself to hope that the 2004 election would help the country, then 2006.. but it feels different this time. I think Congre$$ will be Forced to deal with the Bu$h Leaguers this time. If Impeachment doesn't begin Before the Election, then Obstructionists will be Replaced (even if they are Democrats because, like Lieberman, in name only doesn't count any more!). Kucinich is out, though he was the Most Progressive of the original candidates. I know he was interested in the Truth on 9/11 & the necessity of Impeachment. McKinney is running on a Green Party ticket still. She was very vocal about 9/11, the Patriot Act, and Impeachment too. Which is probably why she was unseated. They tried to do that to Dennis too. The Democratic Party needs a reminder of what it is Supposed to Be. I'm hoping Obama is the one to do it. I believe Barack will be the eventual contender. I just hope he is as Open to Truth as he Seems to be.

JMT-Q:

I find Barack's recent statements regarding 9/11 government complicity encouraging and don't think he's received enough recognition for his willingness to intelligently discuss 9/11 truth issues. Perhaps if the outrage level stays high he could be persuaded to support a new investigation?

His foreign policy advisor Zbiniew Brezenski, who was vital in the creation of militant Islamic forces in Afghanistan and by some accounts is linked to Chechen Terrorism troubles me though. What are your thoughts on Brezenski?

Also, what do you think of supporting third party candidates like Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinny, and Orion Daley? Some argue this is throwing your vote away, but I say voting for the persons with the best ideas who speak the truth is what we all should be doing. Otherwise, who is really throwing their vote away? If it's counted that is. What say you Yvonne?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! Don't try to make me speak ill of a fellow Illinoisan.. the only thing I worry about with Obama is that he hasn't been Full-on Liberal/Progressive. But he seems to learn quickly!:) As for Zbigniew Brzezinski, he is just One of Obama's advisors and I don't know how much influence he has, but Obama is aware of his role in the Reagan Admin. & surely knows the online CONservative take on him. But hearing from Brzezinski's contacts would be helpful in negotiating certain things I'm sure. Anyway, Obama seems willing to hear from ALL sides. (But if he should suddenly start stock in FOX or appearing on their programs, I would have to re-evaluate the whole thing!;) Also, speaking of foreign policy advisors, I think it's beyond time to help establish a Palestinian state & cut back welfare to Israel’s military machine. Though Samantha Power's resignation may make that a bit harder to achieve. I'm sure the Israeli lobby pushed for that particular resignation.

A third party Presidency still seems at least one Election away to me. But if this election Doesn't result in a Total Renewal of America - restoring American Rights, Generating JOBs, Rebuilding Infrastructures, Repairing the Harm done to America's Image, Repealing the Patriot Act, Repealing & Rethinking NAFTA, Restoring America's Security (Social Security, a National, Single-Payer Healthcare System, as well as better monitoring of incoming freight & better use of DEA, FBI, & INS agencies), etc. - then a Third Party will Surely be the Next Step to Do the Job that both Democrats & Republicans have Failed to Do. And it's best both parties remember that while they Rely on attention deficit Americans to forget the Facts, those Same Americans want things fixed Yesterday.. so they'll only have one term to get Everything started (if not completely fixed).

We already have the beginnings of Change at our disposal. So Third Parties have more of a chance now than ever before. I used to think 3rd Parties were a wasted vote, but 3rd parties are getting more popular & more Populated - so the two Major Parties ignore those "other" voters at their own risk. The candidates you mentioned are all great, SO much more engaged & engaging than Bu$h the Le$$er. Voting is a personal thing & people should vote for the candidate they Want. If Kucinich went 3rd Party, I would renounce my life-time Democratic Party ticket & vote "early & often"!;)

JMT-Q:
Yeah, I like Kucinich as well. He has stated he would like a new full 9/11 investigation! Originally he had spoke of a partial investigation, so his new even stronger stance is encouraging. He is also investigating the issue of the 9/11 rescue workers health problems and how they and all New Yorkers were lied to about air quality.

Well to wrap up I wanted to ask you an unrelated question as I often do in these things. I was wondering if you agreed with the young activists who the Dalai Lama has been at odds with over how to best achieve independence for Tibet. They say that they agree with his non-violent method, but feel there should be no compromise on independence. Other than that brave soul I'll let you make a closing statement and again thanks for doing the interview.

Yvonne White-A:
We could Boycott the games, since China is Communist, horrible on Human Rights, etc. But we cannot call the kettle black when Bu$h has reduced us to their level. I can see Tibets's problem - the Dalai Lama has preached non-violence, but Chinese occupiers have no such taboo in place. America was founded by violent overthrow of an oppressive Foreign government - so we would be hypocrites to ask them nicely Not to do the same.

Now back to 9/11 Conspiracy.. it's a great group! It's a place to get information, differing from the Party Line, differing from the Media Propaganda, and occasionally differing from reasonable thought - but I hate censorship, so only the truly unreasonable Reich-wing hate-spouters who get banned or deleted. For the most part it's simply for people to come & realize they aren't the only ones to Question the Truth of 9/11 - not the only ones who think you can't explain away the evidence with Bu$h's "ya gonna believe your eyes, or what I tell you?" kind of force-fed Report (which did NOT include anything about WTC 7) - not the only ones who have come to realize this Bu$h Government is more dangerous to it's citizens than "terrorists" in foreign countries. I hope I haven't given the impression I'm a Bu$h hater with no sense of humor... because I Do have a Sense of Humor!;)

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