Now I'm not denying the interview with Lloyd at the end is weird. I saw the full length version of their interview with him on Google a few months ago and something certainly is up there but this whole north side approach stuff has been debunked over and over by Jim Hoffman, Arabesque911Truth and even Dylan Avery. And 9/11 Blogger doesn't want anything to do with CIT's stuff.
First off, let's look at Pilots for 9/11 Truth. A number of its members promote World Trade Center no-plane theories - arguing that the speeds at which the planes were travelling were aerodynamically impossible at the altitudes they were flying at. Rob Balsamo, the head of the group, has defended these people's opinions, saying they are qualified to have them. This was all debunked recently using a simulator. This fact alone is enough to raise serious questions about the credibility of Pilots for 9/11 Truth.
People have questioned what happened at the Pentagon since day one, primarily due to the lack of video evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. A number of theories have been put forward ranging from missile theories, to 737 theories, to Tomahawk theories. All of these theories ignore the testimony of numerous eye witnesses who specifically say they saw an American Airlines Boeing 757.
So then a new theory was put forward by researcher Richard Eastman to account for this. This theory, known as the "flyover theory" or the "two-plane theory", argues that a Boeing 757, probably Flight 77, flew towards the Pentagon, but then pulled up and flew over at the exact same time as something else crashed into it.
The Citizen Investigation Team have given this theory new life by "proving" that the plane approached from the NORTH side of the CITGO gas station, as opposed to the official SOUTH side approach using the testimony of 13 eyewitnesses from strategic vantage points. Since whatever hit the Pentagon had to have come in from the south side in order to make the C-Ring hole. Then the plane had to have flown over, if it came in from the north. They assert that the witnesses stories have not changed since they were interviewed by officials a few months after the event and therefore their recollections cannot be due to faded memory. Of these 13 witnesses, all give a different flight path, some estimate drastically lower speeds and none actually saw the plane hit the building.
The problem with basing an investigation solely on eyewitness testimony is that the stories given by eyewitnesses on the day were so different. Some people saw a helicopter! That doesn't mean a helicopter hit! The team makes the opinions of these 13 people out to be the majority and claim that there is no evidence of eyewitness testimony confirming a flight path south of the CITGO gas station. This simply isn't true. They obviously ignore the work of Eric Bart who has compiled an extensive collection of eyewitness accounts - which can be viewed here and here. Here's some quotes CIT don't want you to see:
Eyewitnesses who confirm the official south side approach
"As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us”
- "Barbara"
"I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon."
- Gary Bauer
“The jet came in from the south.”
- Mickey Bell
“I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike."
- Tim Timmerman
“The plane took a flight path straight up 395.”
- Michael Tinyk
“I saw a jumbo tail go by me along Route 395. It was like the rear end of the fuselage was riding on 395. I just saw the tail go whoosh right past me.”
- Dave Winslow
“I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.”
- Don Wright
Eyewitnesses who SAW the plane hit the Pentagon
It "flew above a nearby hotel and drop its landing gear. The plane's right wheel struck a light pole, causing it to fly at a 45-degree angle"
"The right engine hit high, the left engine hit low. For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it."
- Noel Sepulveda
"At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building."
- Penny Elgas
"Jet Fuel"
"The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell"
- Mark Kirk
"Once they stabilized Brian, they transferred him to George Washington Hospital where...the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs(!)"
Even the CITGO video debunks the northern approach theories. The plane's shadow was caught briefly on a camera looking out the south side of the building. But that video was probably edited wasn't it?! They had already crashed two Boeing aircraft but they wouldn't crash a third into a section of the Pentagon reinforced to survive a jet impact now would they?! No, instead they flew the plane over the Pentagon, and at the same time launched a perfectly timed missile strike at it and used explosives to blow light poles out of the ground while agents planted pieces of plane debris on the lawn! Then they went through all the extra trouble of disposing of the passengers, repainting/disposing of the plane, faking photos of plane debris inside the impact hole and photographs of burnt passengers from Flight 77 and bribing all the witnesses who saw the plane hit the building, the forensic officials who positively identified all the passengers and all the firefighters who go into graphic detail in a book about how they picked up bits of burnt children! Honestly, and people wonder why we're called crazy!
I'll end on a quote from Prison Planet forum moderator jimd3100 posted on May 07, 2009, 11:47:04 PM
"In case you haven't figured this out. Recently Alex Jones was accused of being a racist due to comments made on the unmoderated infowars boards. Recently Alex Jones was associated with a nut that killed cops because he made comments on a AJ message board. (nevermind the fact that the comments were against AJ) Recently youtube eliminated an infowars account because they showed AJ defending himself(he showed the newspaper trying to smear him) meanwhile youtube has no problem hosting a video by "truthers" claiming the old cab driver nearly killed on 9/11 by a lightpole KNOCKED OVER BY A PASSENGER JET as it slammed into the pentagon, is actually an undercover mass murdering operative. Can you see what's coming down the pipe? I'll spell it out for you.....
Before the USS Cole was hit they tried hitting another ship....before the WTC were blown to kingdom come they bombed it. Guess what's coming down the pipe?
I'm one of the least "conspiracy" minded people on here IMO, and even I can see this one. Q: DO you believe that if the "powers that be" have a golden opportunity to not only give a devastating blow to Alex Jones, but the entire truth movement and Daniel Sanjata and Dylan Avery all at the same time that they wouldn't do it? Ans: It doesn't matter. We'd be idiots to sit here and let ourselves be put in that situation.
Here's a headline from the future that you are not going to see as long as I am moderating here......
Dateline Sept 22 2009
Arlington Loyd England the cab driver nearly killed on 9/11 was murdered today by a "9/11 conspiracy theorist". Mr Noplane Idiot was arrested at the scene reading a copy of Catcher in the Rye. Police Spokesman Capt NWO PIG said Mr Idiot made statements suggesting the act was carried out as a form of vigilante justice. "He believes based on movies and messages he saw on "conspiracy" message boards that Mr England helped carry out the attacks."
Internet searches showed that Mr Noplane Idiot was a frequent visitor to prisonplanet forum. The forum is hosted by the notorious Alex Jones who has made several films claiming the attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. Government. He was also producer of Loose Change Final cut. Search results also revealed Mr Idiot was also frequent visitor to the loose change forums, hosted by Dylan Avery maker of the "conspiracy series". His newest film Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup narrated by Rescue Me star Daniel Sanjata was released today. Mr Jones claims he has no control over who comes to the boards and what is posted. However investigations reveal the boards are moderated.
Think that's pretty unlikely? Yea, it is.
It's just as unlikely as Barry Jennings being dead 2 days before the WTC 7 report comes out.
Think that's just dumb? What's even dumber is sitting here allowing ourselves to be put in that position.
"I trust them, I don't think the folks that would blow Kennedy's brains out and murder 3000 Americans would take advantage of us like that." <----that's dumb.
Know what's even dumber? These DisInfo preposterous 9/11 truth killing movies, these idiots want you to promote.
I've never accused anyone of being an "operative", other than Gen Stubblebine. But if I was to make the accusation, it would be against these CIT retards. Why? For several reasons. They constantly use the exact same phrase James Woosley the former CIA head and NWO Bitch used to describe why no WMD were found in Iraq. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Meaning just because we didn't find WMD in Iraq doesn't mean there wasn't a sh*tload of it. And just because no one saw a passenger jet fly over the pentagon doesn't mean it didn't happen. How much BS are you willing to take?
Also, Russel Pickering, John Farmer, Mike Walter, Keith Wheelhouse, Father McGraw, Joel Sucherman, and Lloyd England are all according to the makers of these idiot films, undercover operatives. And those are just then ones I've seen myself them make publicly. Well I'll throw that accusation right back at them. They are either insane, or they themselves are the operatives. Wether they are or not is irrelevant. The results are the same. And they can be used in the same way. They are not helping the truth movement. They are destroying it. Driving people in the movement out with their insanity. I've seen it. You think they are helping? Yea, it's real helpful for independent honest researchers to get people to talk to us after these retards visit them and then accuse them of being mass murdering operatives if they don't tell them what they want to hear. That's real f**king helpful. Honest? They are self promoting BS artists. "It was planned"....OMG! DID you hear that? There it is smoking gun proof! And you fall for this BS? Everyone in the world knows 9/11 was planned but when the old cab driver says it, it means he helped plan it? They are either dishonest insane a**holes or operatives. It doesn't matter. It's the same results. I've seen their movies. All of them. They are a disgusting joke. What's pitiful is seeing you fall for this crap. And people fall for it because they are allergic to a passenger jet hitting the pentagon. How incredibly stupid. This disinfo BS has gotten so bad that we now have a remote controlled passenger jet at the pentagon, but it doesn't fly into it....no, you wouldn't want that...so it flys over it. That's f**kin stupid. They have no choice. Everyone that was there saw a large passenger jet fly into the pentagon. I've been telling you that from day one. They went there and filmed them. They have no choice but then make up this stupid idea of a flyover. Everyone was fooled. No one saw it fly away. But everyone drew the wrong flightpath! No they didn't. That's why England, Walter, Sucherman, Wheelhouse, McGraw and about 100 other people are all "operatives". Because they don't place the plane slightly off the path. And those that drew the wrong flight path? They all swear they watched the passenger jet slam into the pentagon. Your own 10 year old knows that every witness swearing in court that they watched with their own eyes a passenger jet hit the pentagon, is NOT proof a passenger jet didn't hit the pentagon. How much BS are you willing to take?
You should be helping us stamp out this disinfo not spread it. I thought you people wanted to expose the truth of 9/11? This Disinfo crap is getting out of hand. We're nipping this in the bud. We have no choice. It's gotten to the ridiculous point where we are willing to admit a jet was at the pentagon but it didn't go in, and the witnesses who were there are lying operatives. It keeps getting worse......and I'm not going to sit here and let it come on down the pipe. There are reasons for this disinfo.
There are reasons for the various disinfo BS that some of you seem to love to hear, and fall for.
Operatives or not the results are the same. How about giving a sane 9/11 truther a 7 page front page article? Here are your heros promoting 9/11 truth...
http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-14/features/pentaconned/"
For a critical review of all the Pentagon theories see http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon folks, they're just withholding the proof to distract the conspiracy theorists from the hard scientific evidence at the World Trade Center and focus on speculative no-plane theories. It's a psy-op. Probably the only good Pentagon theory I've seen is the plane-bomb theory.
Related Info:
A Clarification on Disinfo
The CIT Virus
